Is Majoring In Humanities (Art, History, Religion, Etc.) A Total Waste?

<p>I agree with plscatamacchia.</p>

<p>Also, another point to bring up: why is it not possible for someone to change their die-hard passion? Why can’t someone in humanities, for example, who has the intellectual ability, make the more lucrative profession his/her passion instead? Wouldn’t this be the realistic way to go?</p>

<p>What I’m saying here is that many humanities majors have been assuming that mostly technical fields are “dull, unfulfilling, and not worth the time” whereas humanities supposedly isn’t.</p>

<p>Princeton Review: “We can’t overestimate the value of a Classics major. Check this out: according to Association of American Medical Colleges, students who major or double-major in Classics have a better success rate getting into medical school than do students who concentrate solely in biology, microbiology, and other branches of science. Crazy, huh? Furthermore, according to Harvard Magazine, Classics majors (and math majors) have the highest success rates of any majors in law school. Believe it or not: political science, economics, and pre-law majors lag fairly far behind. Even furthermore, Classics majors consistently have some of the highest scores on GREs of all undergraduates.”…These majors also excel at the job interview; in general they have a high social IQ.</p>

<p>Wow, this evolved into a more heated debate than I expected…</p>

<p>@plscatamacchia (and maybe others)</p>

<p>I think the heart of your rebuttals stems from the fact that you believe humanities majors will be poor, transient workers who live bohemian lifestyles until they die. I do agree that initial job prospects for humanities majors would be lower than more vocationally oriented majors. However, your major is a non-issue after your first job and your individual capability becomes more important. Yes, that’s another ‘cliche’, but I’ve talked to many people (including my parents, who work for the city government and the phone company) and I’ve interned myself. Even the supervisors at the IT company where I used to work have degrees ranging from sociology, poly sci, psychology, and Information Decision Sciences (the last one was more of an exception to the rule than you would think). In IT (and in other places as well), I have good reason to believe that given the same credentials, an arts candidate will be favored for promotions than someone with a more ‘suited’ major. Odd and unfair? Maybe. But an unrelated major does hint that an applicant has more creativity and curiosity (different priorities than your average business major) to bring to the job.</p>

<p>Look - unless you’re going to graduate school, your humanities studies will probably not be related to the work you do. You assume there isn’t a large market to support people who can only write explications of Dante’s Inferno or New Historicist papers, and you’re right. However, the critical reading and analytical writing that these majors do is valuable for businesses (at least at the good companies that don’t automatically screen out resumes because they lack a certain amount of business jargon).</p>

<p>I don’t want to pick on accountants/engineers as non-intellectual automatons. My best friend is an accounting major, I have many friends who are studying engineering with whom I have geeky interests; heck, my father was an electrical engineer for At&t. Of course there are those who enjoy studying these topics. It’s a narrow road but you’ll get a decent salary (even if it involves a lot of overtime with Lumbergh-like bosses) and the work can be interesting. But most engineers move into managerial/consulting positions after a while for better pay and respect. That’s an option available to all majors.</p>

<p>I’m sorry if my glib statement on a ‘boring suburban life’ was offensive; I’m just a scrappy city kid even if I like my college town. But do you really have any proof that humanities majors are less employable in later years, have less job stability in their 30s, or they’re less capable of maintaining families? (hell, we should be better at attracting mates :slight_smile: ) Talk to your neighbors. Please spit some anecdotes at me - I have tons of stories about newly graduated engineers who can’t find jobs or later leave the field into an unrelated career. Call it a midlife crisis, whatever.</p>

<p>And given the other post-grad opportunities to go on to law, med, or biz school, how predictive is a humanities major for ‘non-success’ anyways? Philosophy majors at least tend to do very well on the GMAT and LSAT. There are a plethora of opportunities even if the road isn’t clearly defined - a humanities major hasn’t written himself out of anything, except that aforementioned engineering job.</p>

<p>I do agree once again that going into a lot of debt is foolish, but even more so for liberal arts majors. I also dislike the slackers that naturally tend to be clustered in the liberal arts and take little initiative, but I think your blithe comments were directed more at them. Also, great comment by NearL.</p>

<p>My true passion is playing video games. Does that mean that if colleges offered a degree in Starcraft, should I pursue that since it provides me the most fulfillment?</p>

<p>That’s stupid, because it’s not academically oriented and is completely unrelated to the kind of ‘passion’ we’re talking about here.</p>

<p>But what I’m saying is that any moment, a certain humanities subject might lose its interest among people, thus it would become just as “stupid” for colleges to provide degrees for it. At that point, that particular subject wouldn’t be considered academically-oriented based on the whims of an institution.</p>

<p>Engineering,business,professions, on the other hand, will stay employable regardless of people’s subjective take on them. Society cannot do without these, unlike video games and humanities. It’s just reality, not my opinion.</p>

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<p>It’s not reality and it is your opinion. You learn to distinguish between the two pretty well as a humanities major.</p>

<p>You’re the kind of person that needs the humanities the most! Comparing the humanities to video games proves it. You don’t know what you’re missing and you won’t until you take a good English, History or Philosophy course. Then you’ll understand the original purpose of college and why it’s so important. Because the Ivory Tower isn’t concerned with what’s employable. It’s concerned with what’s important and lasting. The study of the past and the advancement of the future are of the foremost importance to academics. Engineering and business and professions are important but no more so than philosophy or physics. In fact, the first three draw upon the last two.</p>

<p>Again: “He who cannot draw upon three thousand years is living hand to mouth.” The humanities are important. Very important. The root of all modern courses of inquiry is philosophy and history. Up until relatively recently the greatest scientist were also well acquainted with philosophy. Many were philosopher’s themselves, including Einstein and Newton. The same can be said of the great social scientists like William James and Karl Marx and John Keynes. The sciences and social sciences spring from philosophy and the humanities. Without them your engineering majors don’t exist. No area of inquiry exists.</p>

<p>If you can’t appreciate the humanities, simply don’t take them. I for one, find the great works of intellectual giants like Shakespeare, Plato, Chaucer, Nietzche, and Kant important. I find it hard to believe that society will ever ‘lose its interest’ in the work of scholars whose wisdom compose the very foundation of modern society. But if you want to compare things as important as art and the humanities to something as temporary as video games by all means do. My bet is that Shakespeare outlasts Shiguro Miyamoto.</p>

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<p>Until I take a course? I read philosophy books in my free time, and thus I don’t think it’s your right to tell someone what he’s “missing out” on</p>

<p>Your whole argument above assumes that I’m anti-humanities. I’m only anti-spending-college on humanities.</p>

<p>unless, of course, you plan on going to law school or med school</p>

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<p>Reading philosophy is different from doing philosophy. You can’t quite understand the difference until you’ve taken a philosophy seminar and thoroughly digested the work of some of the great philosophers. Just reading a philosophy book can’t compare to studying, writing and arguing philosophy under the guidance of a philosophy professor.</p>

<p>If you don’t think people should spend money on the humanities, then don’t major in the humanities. You can’t tell someone that their major is worthless or worth less than your own just because it’s not as practical. Not everyone has the same goals. Not everyone defines utility by income or job prospects. I will major in whatever I like and still lead a comfortable lifestyle because I’m a resourceful person. The majority of posters on CC are resourceful as well and many will attend top undergraduate universities and colleges. Why shouldn’t they major in what they like? They’ll be fine.</p>

<p>student101: Let’s forget the fact that there are a lot of jobs that only ask for a college degree without specifying a degree. No, instead let’s imagine that the only jobs that exists are the ones that can be taught in college. On the job training, which is prevalent in most fields is unheard of in this world. If you didn’t go to school for it, you can’t ever do it. The only professions are doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers and engineers. Everyone goes to school for those few majors. Millions upon millions of people go to school for one of five studies. If you have a field with a surplus of potential workers, what happens to wages? What does that do to employment?</p>

<p>To answer the question for you, the wages go down. The employment prospects become worse. Engineers aren’t paid more because they’re more important or because their field is incredibly useful. They’re paid a premium because they’re relatively rare – like tradesmen. If everyone spent their college education pursuing just engineering, engineering wages wouldn’t be nearly so high.</p>

<p>Let’s just say that for me, personally, I can end up enjoying whatever I do. (as long as it’s not directly harming someone). If I get into humanities, I can really start to love it. If I get into engineering, I can really start to love it. Thus it only makes sense for me to go with the one that is more likely to provide a stable life along the road.</p>

<p>I think this should also apply to any person who tries to stay open-minded about the “fulfilling-ness” of all subjects. Unfortunately, among high school and college students in the US, there is an unsubstantiated bias against anything that is math-related as “boring,” dull, and uncreative.</p>

<p>You’d be amazed how many liberal arts majors think that they will get a job directly related to their field of study after they graduate. I know I did at one point, when I was a 17 year old, naive, freshman majoring in history. Ive also read so many comments on various forums about people thinking their degree is a waste because they cant get a job directly related to history, english, or sociology. One of the biggest problems is that people (usually very young people) spend 4 years studying their passion, and then once its over, they have to go work for some random company as a random business person. </p>

<p>I cant imagine anything more tedious and depressing than studying engineering or business if you truly hate it (personally, the business classes that I have taken are the most useless, soul crushing classes. I couldnt care less.) However, I cant imagine anything more heartbreaking than spending your time studying your passion and then finally realizing that you now may have to become some boring business person for a while to pay off you 100,000 dollars in loans. (By the way, I dont think anyone should be paying 100,000 dollars for a bachelors degree. Just go to a state school.)</p>

<p>edit: Im also kind of like student01, I have a very technical side to me and a very liberal artsy side to me. I just like learning about how the world works. I have such a range in interests that it kills me to be tied down to focusing on one major.</p>

<p>student01 where do you live? Because I have never encountered such an attitude towards the “dull” subjects. Most people that I’ve known look down on the humanities and smile when they hear someone majoring in something “practical”. Just last night after work, I stopped by a friends house for a bonfire, and we were discussing each others major (bio, physics, engineering, music education) and comparing the job prospects. The engineering major met a history major from a top 10 ten school who was working minimum wage at a zoo. You can bet all the people in the conversation just felt a lot better about themselves and used that one example to further their superiority.</p>

<p>A liberal arts major from a top 10 school that’s working at a zoo probably wouldn’t have been able to find much work as an engineer either. That sounds more like a problem of motivation than credentials.</p>

<p>There’s no reason to bash other majors. Everyone gets to be happy, OK? I know liberal arts majors with great jobs and engineers that are unemployed and vise versa. Your typical engineer isn’t a millionaire and your typical liberal arts major isn’t working at Starbucks trying to pay off 100k loans (average loan after graduation is ~20k, which isn’t hard to pay off if you’re making 30-40k like most liberal arts majors out of school).</p>

<p>You all need to relax.</p>

<p>"There’s no reason to bash other majors. Everyone gets to be happy, OK? I know liberal arts majors with great jobs and engineers that are unemployed and vise versa. Your typical engineer isn’t a millionaire and your typical liberal arts major isn’t working at Starbucks trying to pay off 100k loans (average loan after graduation is ~20k, which isn’t hard to pay off if you’re making 30-40k like most liberal arts majors out of school).</p>

<p>You all need to relax." </p>

<p>There you go.</p>

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<p>Cheers to the one that is as heavily involved in the heated debated, telling everyone they need to relax.</p>

<p>^ ehhh, ignore what i said above…</p>

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Some video games actually draw a lot on history, literature, etc. in their stories. If you write the story line, dialogue, and that sort of stuff for a video game it’s basically the same thing as majoring in creative writing to write movie scripts. A video game major actually wouldn’t be so bad if it combined digital media design with creative writing. There are a lot more ******** majors out there anyway.</p>

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Most colleges require students to take several humanities courses. I agree that it is useful to take a good course in English or Philosophy. My issues with that with a humanities course it is heavily dependant on the professor and your classmates. The assigned readings and the discussions you have about them in class is where you get the most out of it. Anyone can read Plato and Kant on their own, but you get more out of it when you disucss it with a good group of people. I also like how humanities majors can say that everyone needs to take a good Philosophy or Literature class (don’t disagree with this) and colleges have their engineers and business majors taking theses classes to graduate. At the same time, humanities majors do not have to take any real science or math courses. I think it’s important to take a philosophy and literature course to gain a better understanding of human thought, but I also beilve it is equally important to take a physics course and a real math/statistics course to understand the laws of the physical world around you. I doubt I will see any non tech school forcing english and history majors to even take calculus one or anything tougher than rocks for jocks, but they will always force engineering and business majors to take humanities courses. I would also like to see everyone take at least a basic macro economics course to have some broad understanding of the economy, but I know a fair number of humanities majors that are so adverse to learning anything business or math related, they graduate college without even really understanding what GDP or the trade deficit actually mean.</p>

<p>“Engineering,business,professions, on the other hand, will stay employable regardless of people’s subjective take on them. Society cannot do without these, unlike video games and humanities. It’s just reality, not my opinion.”</p>

<p>Society can do without artists, writers, critics, journalists, directors, philosophers, poets, musicians, and other creative thinkers and compilers of knowledge? I don’t want to live in that society!</p>

<p>I suspect you’ll argue back that one doesn’t need school to learn to do all the above, unlike engineering and business. Well, imagine abolishing all humanities degrees. On a national scale, can’t you envision the number of people above falling drastically? I come from a country where 90% of its universities teach the sciences only, and you cannot imagine how much I deplore the serious lack of cultural capital among my compatriots. And imagine you’re graduating from high school and you want to be a musician. Your possible options are 1) enter the workforce and find yourself having less time to learn music; 2) take four years off to learn music, which basically is the same as being a useless member of society in your books; 3) study engineering or business and practice music as an avocation, but when you graduate you’ll be a less-skilled musician than you would be if you had just gone to a music conservatory; 4) find an instructor, which seems like the answer, until you realize that that is after all the point of a degree-granting institution. Engineering seems better studied at school because of the equipments and laboratories and instructors and fellow students and whatnot, but so are the humanities because of the libraries, the professors, the fellow students, the conferences and lectures, the encouragement, and of course, the excuse to escape silly societal demands for four years and concentrate on studying. Abolishing humanities degrees means taking four precious years off every student who wishes to work in something humanities-related.</p>