<p>In keeping with the title of this thread, let me throw my $.02 from a Michigan State Spartan POV:</p>
<p>First, (as noted) UM is too expensive; some say way too expensive for what it is. UM charges OSS in the neighborhood of the top privates (and is on the cusp of the lower Ivies) but disagree that UM offers a comparable undergrad program to those schools although in many, if not most grad programs, UM matches and exceeds the best. UM is among the best public universities, but it is limited by being a State school since no state school, except for those handful that deliberately remain small and focused on undergrad teaching (ie, New College and W&M), can similarly match the top privates, undergrad-wise. Though UM competes with some of the best privates for students, and gets many of the best, that doesnt lead (at least in my mind, as well as many others), to the chicken-n-egg genuflection to UM as a comparable academic collegiate experience. Even a number of Wolverines are coming around to this realization. Examples: the MDaily chastised many in Ann Arbor for their woe is me hand-wringing when President Bolligner bolted UM for Columbia. The conservative Michigan Review (and btw, I personally am ANYTHING but conservative, although they were right on this one imho) opined recently that UM people need to Get a life (their words) and stop believing UM is an Ivy, and stick to relating as the best public school out there which it is. But then again, if you make people believe you are an Ivy, you certainly can charge tuition like one
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<p>Second, UM is often more grad oriented at the expense of undergrads. Sure, thats a popular knock at any large research university, esp a high profile one like UM, but I read it and hear it from friends and associates whove attended/worked at UM just to blow it off. UM has some programs geared for intense quality undergrad teaching/learning experiences, but not as much as it could or should; too many grad assistants teaching course sections even if they are under the supervision of a PhD. But as I noted, this is the scourge of many top research schools its just that, as a great, though very large public university, it is false advertising (as some do) to say UM delivers, on the undergrad level, what a Duke, or a Columbia or a Princeton, or a Stanford, (or even a Vandy or a Case or an Emory) does. Some also feel this mentality carries over to facilities where the grad students are afforded the best while undergrads must fend for themselves the way those at a typical State U must do. Ive always found it odd that the most beautiful and complete facility on campus is the Law Quad which is devoted to graduate/professional study the LQ far exceeds anything comparable the undergrads have. I havent seen this exact situation duplicated at any other school Im familiar with.</p>
<p>Third, (also as noted) the sciences are not as strong as some of UMs peers, like Berkeley. Sure, some will say I have my biases (and I surely do), but despite USN&WR rankings (where a number of UM programs esp at the undergrad level -- are privy to the halo effect), there are a lot of people that will say that even Michigan State bests UM in a number of sciences, particularly (historically) biological and physical sciences (esp in nuclear physics). This is not really a problem, as I see it, because no school not even Michigan can literally do it all. That said, UM is certainly way better than most public universities. </p>
<p>Fourth, while it has some good points, UMs campus situation is not necessarily ideal. Central Campus and the Diag area are certainly compact, and pretty easy to negotiate on foot, but oftentimes during/between classes it can feel crowded and overwhelming. I remember noting a large block of students crossing S. (?) University and feeling like I was in Manhattan. Sometimes Central Campuss mostly large buildings feel cold and institutional rather than welcoming, and often appear outsized for the campus they occupy. I guess its the byproduct of having such a large school occupy such a small space. Obviously the Law Quad is a respite, but it is more the exception than the rule imho. Clearly Central Campus is running out of room, as it appears that new buildings are beginning cannibalizing old ones (like Frieze). With the continued explosive growth of UMs adjacent, famed med school, somethings got to give. Moreover, the bifurcated campus (btw North, Central and to a lesser degree, Athletic) creates, Im sure, headaches for a lot of undergrads.</p>
<p>Fifth, housing. This is pretty well known. There are some really luxurious dorms, like Martha Cook and Mojo, but my understanding is that a lot of the rest is, well, lacking, esp those quads (and esp South Quad). And again, the North Campus bus-trip thing becomes problematic if students programs arent located there. There has got to be a feeling of isolation. Plus, I always read/hear that there still is not enough on-campus housing for undergrads. The UM housing lottery is near legendary.</p>
<p>Sixth, lack of academic advising (already addressed).</p>
<p>Finally, attitude. Im talking about those of administrators more so than students/alums. I get the distinct feeling sometimes that, because UM is so good, some in the administration believe there is no need not try harder to make it better. Were Michigan, after all. While thats great for esprit de corps, it leaves some undergrads alienated and grumbling some, as I know, to the point of transferring. Many students feel that given the money theyre paying, theyre obligated to remain silent about Michigans shortcomings, but others arent. Indeed, with the big bucks and concomitant extremely high expectations they have in Michigan, some feel cheatedthough they are in the minority, clearly. But to those few, the UM administration appears as a fortress. And then, why should MSU, the 2nd fiddle school in Michigan, have gone out and created excellent undergrad-oriented programs like James Madison and Lyman Briggs, and UM has not lifted a finger to do so. I mean, RC and Alice Lloyd are nice, but dont compare with Madison or Briggs. Whats more, there have been times when UM appears to be coming up short, esp to MSU in a particular program, it merely punts rather than competes I guess UM should never have to get down on the level with those guys. Weve seen this with geography and communications and, to a degree, I think youre seeing it with nuclear physics (where UM recently decommissioned and shut down its pioneering Phoenix nuclear reactor). That simply shouldnt be.</p>
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Oh yeah, and you guys stink in Basketball right now (haha, had to throw that one in before you hit me with John L. Smith,
ugh!). But believe it or not, I think you should stick with Tommy Amaker, a good person and, ultimately, I think, a good coach.</p>