Is Michigan weak in any way?

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<p>Nothing of the sort, it does tie into the strength in Engineering/Science though.</p>

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<p>Berkeley:
Average GPA: 3.90
Average SAT: 1324</p>

<p>Michigan:
Average GPA: 3.72
Average ACT: 28 ~ SAT 1250</p>

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<p>I don't know where you got your data. Here's what Michigan posted on its official website:</p>

<p>Profiles of the freshman class of 2005 (enrolled):</p>

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<p>UCB 2005 Freshman Profile (students.berkeley.edu/admissions/freshmen.asp):</p>

<p>Avg SAT I scores (mid-50%): CR 590-710; Math 630-740
Avg UW GPA: 3.82</p>

<p>Decisively better?</p>

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<p>
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it does tie into the strength in Engineering/Science though

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Anyone in the engineering business will tell you that Michigan and UCB are peers in engineering. And it's been that way even if you go back 30-40 years ago.</p>

<p>UCB does have an edge in basic sciences. However, there are few schools that are in the same caliber in sciences.</p>

<p>On the other hand, Michigan excels in a number of areas ... like in health and medical disciplines (hence biomedical and live science), music, architecture.</p>

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<p>"Anyone in the engineering business will tell you that Michigan and UCB are peers in engineering. And it's been that way even if you go back 30-40 years ago."</p>

<p>I am aware of the public perception of both Cal & UMich.</p>

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<p>GoBlue, my numbers, except for Michigan ACT, were from princeton review. Yours obviously trump them as far as reliability goes.</p>

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<p>data-crunchers, take note:</p>

<p>(approximate) avg. UM SAT, freshman class yr. 2000, 1280 (source: "Early Admissions Game")</p>

<p>avg. SAT 2004 1305 (SAT Web site 12/14/05)</p>

<p>avg. SAT 2005 1320 (GoBlue81, on this thread)</p>

<p>avg SAT 2006 1370 ( M + CR, UM admissions fast facts)</p>

<p>also, please note the 47% acceptance rate for the '06 freshman class.</p>

<p>p.s. CC proofreaders, please correct the "anyway" in this thread's title to "any way." To read: Is Michigan weak in any way?</p>

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<p>Adelphia, can you provide a link for the 2006 numbers?</p>

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<p><a href="http://www.admissions.umich.edu/fastfacts.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.admissions.umich.edu/fastfacts.html&lt;/a>
for 2006 admissions numbers at UM</p>

<p>if the above doesn't work, go to the U-M undergrad admissions Web site > fast facts.</p>

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<p>Adelphia, thanks. Michigan had a good year. :)</p>

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<p>Yeah, I've been waiting for them to make the acceptance rate public. That's a real change. Nice for U-M, bad for all the hopeful families who ended up hearing "no."</p>

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<p>On those stats, are the individual verbal and math SAT scores from individual times or taken from the highest composite score?</p>

<p>I wish they would post out of state acceptance rates and stats.</p>

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<p>If those stats are accurate, Michigan is on the right path. The mean SAT score (1350-ish in one take), class rankings (90% in the top 10% of their class) and average unweighed GPA (3.8ish) are all excellent, but the acceptance rate of 62% just 2 years ago really hurt Michigan's image. Improving to 57% in 2005 and 47% this year is an excellent trend. Michigan does need to drop below the 40% acceptance mark if it really wants to get the respect it deserves from high school students, and I see happening in the next 2-3 years.</p>

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<p>Those are some real interesting numbers.</p>

<p>The class size is down 697 people from last year, that's pretty drastic (11.4% less). They accepted 1414 less applicants this year (to compensate for the anticipated lower class size), and there were 1851 more applicants (which is a 7.7% increase in applicants). And the admit rate went down 9.6%, (is this the first time ever it's been below 50%)? Yield stayed consistent, around 44%.</p>

<p>Is all this due to the closure of the dorm and the overenrollment the past few years?</p>

<p>And I don't think that all this means it's on the "right path".</p>

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<p>I'd say is a combination of things. </p>

<p>1) Demand and supply. Yes, I know, this is such a terrible cliche, but I cannot put it more succinctly. The number of qualified applicants increases at a faster rate than universities can cope. In a few years, all top 50 universities are going to hve acceptance rates lower than 35%.</p>

<p>2) Michigan's optimal freshman class is roughly 5,300. For the last two years, Michigan's freshman classes have exceeded 6,000. That means that Michigan's resources (dorms, faculty, etc...) are streched to an unhealthy level.</p>

<p>3) The closing of a major dorm made it impossible for Michigan to risk another 6,000+ class. </p>

<p>All in all, I don't see Michigan enrolling more than 5,500 Freshmen for the next 2 years.</p>

<p>By the way, A2Wolves, when I said Michigan was on the "right path", I meant that in this day and age, a university cannot be considered elite by the majority of high school students it wishes to attract while maintaining a 60%+ acceptance rate. Not gonna happen. I personally know that acceptance rate means nothing. But I am not the majority of students. The majority of students, as petty as it may seem, actually care about acceptance rate. If Michigan wishes to remain a university of choice for the bulk of the talent out there, it is going to have to accept some modern-day restrictions, such as a lower admission rate.</p>

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<p>A2Wolves,</p>

<p>The admissions rate was 49% for the fall '02 freshman class.
For more info: <a href="http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_freshprof.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_freshprof.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br>
This link has freshman class data for '00-on.</p>

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<p>I just wonder whether or not the higher stats and lower admissions rate are evidence of a "trend", or if this was just a particularly selective year at the university. While a lot of us would like to see the class size continue to decrease, who says the university isn't planning on enrolling 6,000 next year or the year after?</p>

<p>One one hand, as Alexandre says, the trend may continue that "The number of qualified applicants increases at a faster rate than universities can cope"... and our admissions rate goes down to 45%, 40%, 35%, etc. But on the other hand, what if this is just a freak year and by next year the admit rate is back at 55% or 60%? I think it's a little premature to label this as a trend.</p>

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<p>I don't know if it's a trend either, but it seems apparent that applications are bouncing back from the dip they took when the app changed to include multiple essays. Whether or not the rise in apps will continue? Dunno.</p>

<p>As for whether the U would like to enroll a class of 6000, that would surprise me. However, we do have a new provost; I don't know what her opinion is on what the right size class is, what the right size student body is. </p>

<p>There is a big push in the state to increase the number of college graduates, but U-M's role in that isn't direct. If U-M admits a large class, it's not going to be admitting students who otherwise weren't going to college at all.</p>

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<p>Any stats on transfer student admissions?</p>