Is Michigan weak in any way?

@exlibris97 It is definitely not a right, and quite a few top in-state students get rejected from Umich, so it is not something to be taken granted for. The University of Michigan out-of-state population is increasing while in-state is decreasing but expecting University of Michigan, a public university, to cut in-state enrollment to 25% suddenly is too much. It is naturally gradually decreasing as the number of high school students graduating from Michigan high schools is decreasing. I am fine with the University of Michigan gradually increasing out-of-state enrollment and gradually decreasing in-state enrollment, but it should not be sudden. Even though the University of Michigan did not state that it seeks to admit the top x% students in Michigan, it does say that it wants to educate the best and brightest in Michigan and in the world, so it should at least stay consistent with other top public elites like UC Berkeley’s test scores and GPA admissions for their in-state students. It is not a law, but the University of Michigan has always been educating around the top 5% of high school students in Michigan, and cutting that dramatically would not be fair. The state of Michigan still gives more funding to Umich than other public universities in the state of Michigan, and while state funding is decreasing, the University of Michigan’s endowment is increasing, so it is financially healthy enough. Even other public universities that are financially struggling cannot cut in-state enrollment dramatically or else they will receive complaints from their in-state residents like the UC schools have.

@Alexandre, I beg to differ with you. I wouldn’t call it a $31,000 subsidy for in-state students. I would call it a $31,000 premium for OOS students. Michigan’s taxpayers fund the University, the K-12 that feeds the University, the bridges, the police/fire depts and the roads. If OOS want to attend Michigan they SHOULD pay a premium. In State students are not subsidized at all.

@umsigmadom Using your logic, you could argue that the entire nation funds UM since Federal grants subsidize or fund schools, police and fire departments, roads etc. And taxpayers can deduct their state taxes from their federal taxes. Still, you make a very novel argument.

@umsigmadom I agree the OOS should pay more than instate…but not 2.5-3x more. Other state schools have different tuition for IS and OOS students but the different isn’t nearly as large. OOS students also pay tax somewhere else…just like many michiganders that go to a OOS uni pay tax to UofM even though they don’t go there. It’s insane how much more OOS have to pay compared to in state. And I don’t find it really fair.

@sciencer uc berkeley, ucla, and uva and other public elites also have out of state tuition three times their in state tuition. Out of state students pay taxes to their own state universities. They can always go to their own state schools at a cheaper in-state price. They chose to pay the premium to go to a public elite like Michigan.

Is Michigan’s political science program strong for UNDERGRADUATE (obviously its graduate program is top5)?

of course!

Fair point. That’s also true of every university, though, isn’t it? (Federal funding for roads, tax deduction eligibility, etc). Michigan taxpayers primarily fund Michigan institutions, specifically. I was merely trying to flip the perspective on the notion of Michigan students being subsidized.

We in-state parents very much appreciate the OOS families paying full tuition so our kids can pay less. Thanks to you all!

Umich is raising out-of-state tuition next year to 47k. However, it will be offering free tuition to in-state families who make mess than 65k.https://www.google.com/amp/amp.mlive.com/v1/articles/20880871/students_react_to_go_blue_guar.amp

Was deferred RD to LSA. Wondering if it is a waste of time to travel for campus visit in Feb.? Or wait to see if accepted and then do admitted students day. Is there a real difference in the visits other than what’s posted on site? Don’t have a ton of time in April to visit some of the campuses applied to and trying to be as practical as possible. Any “veteran or veteran parent” advice would be appreciated!

24266…wrong forum to ask this question(look at the title) but quickly, at this point save your money till accepted.

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Thanks for this thread. My S19 is considering University of Michigan for the SAC program. I’ve read through most of this thread and didn’t see much about it.

S19 is looking for film production and screenwriting. He’s applying to the usual schools, but Michigan may be financial safety (OOS) if he can get in (4.0/32/lots of relevant EC’s/strong essays).

Any insight on the SAC program for an aspiring Showrunner/Director?

How is Michigan a financial safety if he is out of state? @romns116 Have you looked at the cost of attendance?

Perhaps with less than $90k family income and $50 asset to qualify for need met.

@brantly yes, as @billcsho stated, it’s because of our financial situation (EFC 0, IM).

“Thanks for this thread.”

You should pose this question in a new/different thread.

Are they weak in any way? Yes, there admissions process is unnecessarily cruel. Kids that submitted at the RD deadline have received decisions (some), while EA deferred to RD are still awaiting a decision. My DS is an RD waiting. Then they tweet out the “mid-April” notification completion. Really!?! I’m sure its “the way it is” but still not very fair to kids. Last decisions were 3/2. Almost an entire month between releases.

@usma87 All deferred EA are RD and not all RD admission have been released while most of the rejection have not been announced either. There are no separated pools of RD applicants and there is no priority for deferral. Also, they did not tweet to announce any change of time line. It was a tweet to response to a question with an official answer than has been posted on their website for years. Just be patient.