CU123, the CoHE is not an exhaustive source. I would go to the universities directly.
As far as Michigan is concerned, its peers are:
PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES:
Georgia Institute of Technology
Indiana University-Bloomington
Michigan State University
Ohio State University
Pennsylvania State University-University Park
Purdue University-West Lafayette
Texas A&M University-College Station
University of California-Berkeley
University of California-Los Angeles
University of California-San Diego
University of California-Santa Barbara
University of Colorado-Boulder
University of Illinois-Urbana Champagne
University of Iowa
University of Maryland-College Park
University of Minnesota-Twin Cities
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Texas-Austin
University of Virginia
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES
Boston University
Carnegie Mellon University
Columbia University
Cornell University
Duke University
Emory University
Harvard University
Johns Hopkins University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
New York University
Northwestern University
Stanford University
University of Chicago
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania
University of Southern California
Washington University-St Louis
By definition, all members of the Big Ten Academic Alliance (formerly CIC), which includes all Big 10 schools + University of Chicago will consider each other as peers.
Beyond the Midwest, Cornell and Harvard both list Michigan as a peer institution in official institutional research reports. Columbia, MIT and Stanford also have strong ties to Michigan and vice versa.
Not unlike our State Banner School Rutgers with its vast Student Body, UofM is very much all over the place with notifying applicants in many ways. There are many people continuously posting on various UofM threads that they are much past the stated deadline to be notified of admissions into various programs across the board. Same with scholarship notifications. Very late notifying as well. Still many waiting mid April to learn if they are in various schools like Ross etc or to receive a scholarship. Very inconsiderate and late. D18 was waiting on a Merit announcement. Finally came last week with instead of even her name on the letter it had in paraenthesis.
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Like an afterthought…
Not a good thing and I would call it a Glaring Weakness that cannot be argued away.
I would suggest you look back and across the ED, EA and Regular Decision threads. As well as each of the school or scholarship specific threads at UofM. Not too sure many who were given delayed “denied” admissions or scholarships are still lurking to give you much feedback at this point but I think you’ll get a sense of the number of delays in many areas if you look to the many posters asking why no reply and it’s after the deadline.
Clearly the disappearing tabulations and strange random pattern of the many waves of rolling admissions in mysterious ways suggests a little too much drama IMO.
Significantly more than I’ve come across elsewhere.
It has the appearance that this is just how the school conducts its applicant admissions process. However things are just a tad long this late in the game when kids are looking to make a final decision and UofM leaves so many hanging in the balance.
IMO they need to clean this up a tad bit. Out of consideration for the kids needing to make timely decisions all around based on waiting for the UofM.
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I have to agree with J123D123. Michigan should release all EA decisions on the same day in mid December, and all RD/deferred decisions on the same day in late March. Also, since Ross is now admitting most of its students through preadmission, it should probably have its own, separate admission process, just like the CoE and LSA.
Friendly? You’re kidding, right? I went to Michigan and I found and continue to find it one of the least friendly schools. Went to Minnesota for grad school (and Mizzou for short time for law school) and those are very friendly schools. I go to Michigan events like football games at bars and people keep to themselves. This in cities as diverse as Atlanta and LA so it isn’t the town. So no, it is not a friendly school.
It is also weak in OOS tuition affordability. My daughter will apply next year and I am anticipating no financial aid, which make this out of reach of nearly everyone unless they want to go into serious debt. I’m 100% of the way there for saving for UCs and 50% of the way for Michigan OOS. Is it really 2X better than the UCs? No, so she likely won’t attend. And I’m upset that the school doesn’t spend more of its $12B endowment on keeping tuition down. $64K/year for an undergrad state school? Umkay…
Ann Arbor is great, but I was ready to leave after three years. The weather is gloomy in the winter and that’s a drawback.
I liked the school, the athletics, social life, and had a good experience overall. But it’s not nirvana, it has some glaring weaknesses (affordability and friendliness being two in my mind), so it has priced itself out of the range of most families OOS. There are lots of great state schools; Wisconsin, Washington, UCSB, UC Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD, UVA, UNC all come to mind.
^^^^You live in California. There is little reason to pay extra for Michigan, or any comparable university, with the quality available at the UCs. You think California is generous with OOS aid? Your list of great state schools are not cheap for OOS applicants either, nor should they be.
Yes, UMich should announce the dates in advance, just like the Ivys. That would be awesome.
But for example(s), ND doesn’t publish it’s release date. CPSLO, Davis, UCLA, etc. doesn’t publish its release dates. It’s March sometime. Everyone is guessing there as well.
At least UMich gives MANY students answers on 12/19-ish, 2/1-ish, 3/1-ish and 4/1-ish. It’s not rocket science when their release dates are coming and they coincided for the most part with the published Ross release dates.
40,000+/- apply EA, so 40,000 of the 66,000 (Class of 2022 stats) hear: a) accepted, b) deferred or c) rejected. And lots of schools defer candidates to RD, but only UMich gives SOME answers on or about 2/1, 3/1 and 4/1.
@rjkofnovi The issue(s) with the UC’s is that you cannot switch majors very easily. Also, advising and registration for classes is like running a gauntlet. Resources are stretched thin. Employees (and TA’s) often go on strike. UMich doesn’t have these problems.
While an internal transfer to Ross isn’t easy, as I said on another thread, a relative of mine was an Academic All Pac 12 in a D1 sport at Cal, starting for 4 years, with a 3.9 GPA and couldn’t get into Haas.
Also, the major Pac 12 sports have been trending down for a decade +/-. And the Pac 12 Network has been having financial problems. And this is supposed to help generate revenue for all the Pac 12 sports teams.
True, OOS with the schools I listed aren’t cheap, but Michigan tuition is currently at least $205K for four years, and you know it will go up 4-6% like it always does annually. Wisconsin, UNC, and Washington OOS are $145-$150K, and they’re great schools. That savings is the cost of tuition for an MBA program for two years, or three years of law school, in some states.
^^^^So, you expect Michigan to lower their OOS tuition to those other schools levels? Michigan charges what the market will bear and has no problem filling up its classes. Unless the market changes, why should Michigan bother to charge lower rates for their tuition? Like I’ve stated quite often in the past, if you want to pay instate tuition to Michigan, you’ll need to move to Michigan. Most OOS students leave the state after graduation. Why should the state of Michigan subsidize your child for four years when he/she has no intention of remaining in state?
That’s really nice. Another person who says “let’s charge what the market will bear”. That’s exactly what is wrong with college education today. College is for opening minds, and also preparing people for the workforce to start or work in businesses and organizations. It should not be just a money making enterprise, yet Michigan and other schools think that way.
Many of us would like the opportunity to at least consider sending our children to our alma mater. I make decent money, but not enough to spend a quarter of a million dollars on each of my two kids at Michigan. And it isn’t limited to just Michigan–California is just as guilty. It’s not just for my kids, it’s for the benefit of the state.
I’m not looking to pay instate rates, which would be unfair. But why should Michigan always have the highest OOS tuition? Because it can? Why do you think one of the main reasons that OOS leave the state after graduation? Because limited economic opportunities means they can’t pay back their student loans! A good way to keep graduates in state is make it affordable enough so that people stay and start businesses in Michigan and not go elsewhere to pay back their loans!
U of M has $12B in endowment funds. Over the last 20 years, the endowment has grown 9.6% annually. The university just raised $5B in a fundraising campaign. There are 14K in staters spending $14K/year on tuition and 14K OOS students spending $43K/year. Spend another $160M/year (which is 1/6 of what they are making on their investments) and lower every undergrad’s tuition by 20%.
One of the things Michigan has done is the Go Blue Guarantee. Tuition if free for in-state students from families with earnings less than $65,000/year and assets below $50,000. Additional tuition support is provided for families with incomes up to $180,000. I do think it makes sense to focus first on low-income Michigan residents.
Michigan State offers a scholarship for OOS legacy students and has a much smaller endowment. The scholarship is not a lot, but every little bit helps. Michigan could do something similar, particularly when its OOS tuition is $8,000 per year more than Michigan State’s.
My OOS son was admitted to Michigan and was offered a $10/000 year scholarship. With two younger brothers right behind him, we just could not make this work. He ended up at Texas A&M with a National Merit scholarship that completely covered his OOS tuition. But the good news is that he is now loving his first year as a fully-funded Michigan PhD student, which makes him a third generation Michigan graduate student.
I truly don’t understand the griping directed at University of Michigan. The OOS pricing is somewhat lower than that of private universities. I think THAT – not what the in-state students pay – is the appropriate comparator. I hear this type of griping all the time, and I just don’t get it. If you don’t qualify for FA, Michigan OOS is still cheaper than Vanderbilt, Tulane, or Princeton.
It really isn’t comparable. From my understanding, private schools are much more generous with financial aid than Michigan. Stanford’s tuition is the same as Michigan for upper division. Only 40% of OOS students receive financial aid at Michigan vs 47% at Stanford and 60% at Vandy. People keep comparing Michigan to privates and they shouldn’t. Michigan receives taxpayer subsidies, including federal dollars. Compare them to the UCs, UVA, UNC, Wisconsin, UT Austin and Washington. Not Vandy, Tulane, and Princeton.
Yes, take care of Michigan in state low and middle income family students first. But spend $160M/year extra and lower tuition for all undergrads by 20% to make it comparable in cost to Wisconsin, UDub, UT Austin, etc. $52,814/year in tuition for a state school is ridiculous.
Michigan all in for tuition, room and board books, etc is $64-$67K/year. That’s about 57% of takehome pay for a family making $190K. And you don’t understand the griping for OOS tuition?
University of Michigan is not a monopoly. Cost is factored into students’ college decisions. There is no compelling reason that an OOS student MUST attend University of Michigan.
Clearly not a monopoly. And the affordability limits the willingness of OOS parents to pay for it. I’m just explaining my point of view for the “griping” that puzzles you. The school misses out on a lot of good students, that less expensive state schools and even many private schools don’t, because of its lack of affordability. And because of this, I have a limited amount of loyalty to the school, and I know I’m not alone. A lot of my Michigan friends feel the same. Would be nice to have generations of Wolverines out there. Again, why not spend some extra dollars (1% of their total endowment) to make the school more affordable for in state and OOS students?
And the Pac 12 Network has been having financial problems. And this is supposed to help generate revenue for all the Pac 12 sports teams.