<p>You guys are SERIOUSLY overestimating the sutpidity of business leaders.</p>
<p>Seriously, your average Joe will have NO IDEA what Pomona is, but you can be sure that the top business hirer will know precisely about Pomona and Harvey Mudd and their selectivity and status.</p>
<p>Seriously, the people that you want to impress will know these things. They KNOW that plenty of people would not have gotten into these Ivies because they are legacies, athletes, URMs. They know that Ivy admissions have a LOT of elements of a crapshoot and that someone could be just as qualified as a nother applicant to the Ivies and not get in. Seriously, do you think they don’t realize that the top 35-38 percent of the class of University of Chicago is just as qualified/intelligent as the average Yale student?</p>
<p>For undergraduate studies, in the long run, it is not going to make much of a difference where you went as long as it was a top 27 school or whatever. You guys are confusing your average Joes with your top business leaders. The average Joe would look an Emory and Yale grad and say Oh wow a Yale grauduate I will practically worship you, but the seasoned business leader who wants to hire what is best for his company will be more savy. He will know that there is a very high possibility that the Emory grad is actually more intelligent than the Yale grad. Heck, American University’s honors program has a 32/ 1440 sat, very selective, but practically noone’s ever heard of it.</p>
<p>Of course, I’m referring to undergrad studies. For grad school, a Harvard law school diploma will carry a lot of weight, no doubt (barring exceptions of kids who go straight to the business world out of undergrad school, then the undergrad school name surely counts more).</p>
<p>Someone I know said his dept hired some kid from a little school out west somewhere. They thought he seemed smart and would work out ok for this entry level job. They had no idea until I told them that the little school, Pomona, was a highly ranked school. Neither the manager nor director had heard of it.</p>
<p>The only thing I have personally found objectionable about Atlanta was the first time I ordered “tea”. I’m sure someone knows what I’m talking about…</p>
<p>Seriously though, are you people that are talking about the South being homogeneous and backward even BEEN to the South or are you just perpetuating stereotypes that you hear your Yankee brethren spew? I’m not from the South proper and I am quite fine with life in Atlanta.</p>
<p>I went to college in Boston for a semester, and IMO it’s by far the most overrated college ‘town’. I’d much rather go to school in NVille or HTown.</p>
<p>There are certainly Ivy League graduates for whom that statement is demonstrably false. That’s in large part because the top Ivy League colleges consider a lot more than just ACT scores when admitting students.</p>
<p>sometimes, people have the mentality that other’s flower is prettier. When a school is in your backyard, you see it eveyday and know a lot of details and you don’t think much of it.</p>
<p>Dartmouth- Incredible graduate placement, small very loyal alumni base, highest spending among the Ivies on undergrad resources such as advising and grants, amazing study abroad, beautiful environment, active social scene. Not sure what you don’t “get” norcal.</p>
<p>I dunno, CMU seems to have more prestige than, say, Brown or Dartmouth with the technical people I’ve met from foreign countries. I mean, I feel it’s a little dishonest to compare CMU to the most of the ivy league schools since it’s so centered around science and technical educations while the only other ivy that could really hold any sort of similar claim is Cornell.</p>
<p>Heck, I’ve done volunteer tutoring for kids here in at underprivileged high schools in Los Angeles and I’ve had a ton of them ask me about Caltech since they’ve never heard of it. I had the same thing happen at CMU. What you’ll find for more technical colleges is that the only people that know of them are those which interact with the fields those schools are good at.</p>
<p>I mean, heck, while doing my college search I hadn’t heard of practically any of the popular LACs here, and I didn’t even know Cornell was an ivy league school until I was visiting there as an admitted grad student. My girlfriend, who was admitted into Berkeley, UCLA, MIT, Caltech, Cornell, Stanford, etc. as an undergrad kept trying to convince me that Stanford was an ivy league school. You guys are really blowing the influence the branding of these schools way out of proportion. I imagine most people can’t name any ivies outside of perhaps Harvard and Yale.</p>
<p>^I wasn’t comparing Tufts and Carnegie Mellon w/ Brown and Dartmouth. I was comparing them with Columbia and Cornell.</p>
<p>Like I said, Brown and Dartmouth stand to fall the most if you strip away the Ivy League tag. They’ll essentially be glorified LAC’s, which isn’t a knock on them but, as we know, most LAC’s lack prestige.</p>
That makes no sense and is ridiculous. Columbia with its 10.6% acceptance rate, very large endowment and extremely strong academic programs is on par with Tufts or CMU. Your living in a fantasy world if you think they are better than the Ivies and they are certainly not nearly as prestigious. Tufts is a common safety as well as CMU. All the kids I know going there were mediocre students and got rejected from the Ivies and other top tier places. CMU and Tufts are at best top 30 schools not top 15. </p>
<p>The Ivies are worth it for the prestige they have(who cares if you agree if its deserved), the strong student body they have, their academic excellence and the career oppurtunities they open up. If you do well at any Ivy you can go to the moon.</p>
<p>I do find it funny though that norcalguy tries to say that Columbia and Cornell are the weakest ivies, when he went to Cornell. Columbia does not belong with cornell…I do think that Cornell benefits much more than the others from the Ivy tag (ithaca…), but thats just me.</p>
<p>^Please read Hawkette’s original post again, my original post responding to hers, and then my response to RacinReaver’s post before you make yourself look like an idiot again.</p>
<p>Hawkette was the one implying that the “lower Ivies” (everything minus HYP) would essentially be Tufts and CM without the Ivy League status. Sometimes it helps to read the entire thread before opening your mouth.</p>
I don’t agree. Brown and Dartmouth will not be your “most LACs” if they are not in the Ivy. Some rank Dartmouth above William if treated as a LAC. Cornell will be like UCB and UCLA if not in the Ivy league although it is still a great school. I agree most of the Ivies benefit from their association with the league.</p>
I recognized that and maybe you should read it before you post an idiotic and unhelpful rejoiner. My point was that it is a. it is stupid to make that distinction because they are Ivy leagues and that won’t change and b. taking away that factor by every single measure that matters they are superior to those schools mentioned. If you want to say thats all (financial resources, selectivity, academics, student body)there because of the ivy name than that is a fundamentally unprovable statement (as well as an irrelevant one). We don’t deal with hypotheticals but what is reality. Try and keep up.</p>
<p>quote: "There are certainly Ivy League graduates for whom that statement is demonstrably false. That’s in large part because the top Ivy League colleges consider a lot more than just ACT scores when admitting students. "</p>
<p>You need good extracurriculars, recs, grades, yadda yadda to get the presidential scholarship. harvard’s act range is 30-34.
That means only the VAST MAJORITY of harvard student are simply not smart enough at least test-wise to get this scholarship.
So a Tulane presidential scholarship should waarrant more prestige than a Dartmouth diploma, ok?</p>
<p>You guys are putting the ivies on a pedestal. you do realize that yale’s 25 percentile sat range is like 2100, so that means A THIRD OF YALE GRADUATES have sat’s of 2150 or less.</p>
<p>A 2150 and even less are good, but seriously, they are not that incredible.<br>
It is completely untrue that an Ivy League education can take you to the moon.<br>
I mean, come on, a third of yale students have sats of less than 2150?
That means one out of 3 yale kids simply isn’t that amazing, at least score-wise.</p>
<p>Now everyone knows that sat scores don’t mean everything, but they really do correlate pretty well to grades, almost every academically intelligent person I know has at least a 2090.</p>
<p>So, why the hell were you replying to me? You were essentially agreeing with what I wrote in response to Hawkette. Your stupidity never ceases to amaze. Bravo.</p>