Is this cheating in a relationship?

<p>I've been dating this guy for about 7 months who also happens to be in one of my friendship groups. He is a very unique person and is known amongst the many many friends of his to be one of the most caring, friendliest, wise, and giving person. If you are someone he truly really cares about, he will go above and beyond, to great lengths, to help you. If you are in a bad situation whether relationships, family, any issues, he will step in, take charge, and pick you up. (not literally) Because of this trait, he is also known to be too caring at times, and over the years his closest friends who truly know him have, on several occasions, had to tell him to put himself first and prioritise, because he also has a lot of issues especially regarding family to deal with (basically he has a deep resentment towards his parents since childhood for reasons he feels justified) and sometimes he takes on too much of other people's issues. I feel he has been much better in this regard throughout our relationship. I came in about a year ago, and we were only friends for a couple months before we spontaneously started dating so i didn't really know him that well even though we went to the same high school and had some of the same friends. He is my first serious relationship and i am his. The relationship has been rough for a while because we are so different; he is very clingy and emotionally dependent, and i am fairly indepedent in contrast. I have not been able to 'give' enough of myself in the relationship, according to him, and while that is true to a certain extent, i think it is compounded by the fact that he is very sensitive and dependent. </p>

<p>It was all going alright until he met this girl whom i also met at the same time. It was at a mutual friends party and she has since been incorporated into our hangout group. She is lovely and very nice. They became close very fast, even though they barely saw each othr, but they would IM, text, skype, a lot, everyday. At first it didn't seem any different to other interactions he would have..if he meets someone new who could potentially be a good friend he will talk to them a lot. But i quickly realised that it was different with this girl, and when they first started becoming close around three months ago, a couple friends have expressed that his 'fascination' with this girl is a little weird, albiet in a joking kind of way, and they never thought anymore of it. However, when i first finally witnessed their interaction in real life when we went out with a bunch of friends, they were having tons of fun, laughing, chasing, touching, and it was very obvious that he was flirting with her. The same thing occurred the several times we'd all hang out after that. They are both affectionate people, so it would seem very natural for them, and our friends wouldn't actually blink an eye by what i'd just described, but later he admitted he WAS flirting with her. BUT he did not admit it to me. After seeing their interactions a few times, i confronted him and he COMPLETELY denied it. We ended up having this huge argument one night, where he just kept on denying it and saying he had absolutely NO idea he was flirting, over and over, while i kept saying he DID know. I didn't believe him, but he got so worked up and defensive, and finally i thought, fine, i will give him the benefit of the doubt and take his word that he really didn't know and that it won't happen again. Not only did it happen again, i found out a couple weeks later that he had told her that night before our argument that he was flirting with her! I found out because i was at his house that day on his laptop, and his skype conversation happened to be there and i couldn't help but take a peak. I felt terribly guilty, but it confirmed that he was absolutely aware of what he was doing, and was saying to her "she (me) would've gotten more upset if i flirted more with you, with a (:P wink face)". I couldn't believe it, because of how ferociously he denied it that night. </p>

<p>After that I didn't trust him. They have just gotten closer the past two months, in part because she has been going through a very rough time with a guy she has been kinda seeing. Throughout this time, she has been very vulnerable emotionally as well, even though she is a strong girl, and has thus found comfort in my boyfriend, and knowing who he is, he has jumped on the chance to be there for her. He has met with her one on one to talk to her, advise her, and just be there for her. She has broken down several times and called him in tears.</p>

<p>Now, friends of me know that i am far from the jealous type. I am not, by any means, a easily jealous girlfriend, and he has very close relationships with other girls that i wouldn't blink an eye to and who i think is great because they have a great friendship. The reason why i became concerned with this girl is because i could tell he truly really liked her, and think she's absolutely awesome and they have so much fun together, and have a lot of the same qualities. This issue with this girl has just been in the back of our minds these past two months, and we try not to talk about it because we'd end up in a huge argument. He would say to me he is just helping a really good friend, and he can't bare to see someone like that go through so much pain and therefore he has to go see her in person. And so, a week ago, they finally met up one on one. He does this knowing that i am against him going to see her specifically. I had another conversation with him about it after that, and he'd keep saying that he's just helping a good friend and i had nothing to worry about, and he got pretty worked up over why i'm so concerned. I still didn't believe him. Then, the day after we had this conversation, he lended me his laptop, and i did more sneaking. What i found was absolutely unbelievable and i broke down. Their conversations, over the course of the past week, included things like "i love you in all ways possible", "you're my angel", all coming from him. The main thing, however, that i read was their conversation that night that i saw him and we'd talked about the issue. He had gone home that night, having assured me all night that there is nothing going on, and asked her if she would date him if i wasn't in the picture. She told him gently that she could never really even think about that because he is off limits, and they didn't need to go into it, and the fact that he is even asking her this while i am with him is "kinda dodgy", and that in a way "it's cheating on x" (me). He said he wouldn't cheat, but believes that he has the right to be curious. She said to him, "to everyone else it would be like cheating, and would make you seem like a very mean person, and i don't want to think you're a mean person, because i think you're very nice, and a wonderful friend. If you value her (me), i hope you don't do this too often, even if it's just curiousity, because if she (me) ever finds out, you would come out looking like the crappiest ass****, ok?". Basically she laid out the consequences of his actions, of him even asking that question, in a gentle way. He, of course, told her to keep it confidential. </p>

<p>After reading that entire conversation, i made the decision that i would have to break up with him once i'm done with my exams. I finished my exams today, a week after i read that conversation, and i'm at a loss of how i should handle this. I've told a couple close friends and they all say that that is basically cheating, and you're boyfriend shouldn't be anywhere near that sort of mindset. Even the girl thinks that is cheating. I believe that it is emotional cheating, but even if its not, i have more self respect to stay with someone like this. I feel like this is a delicate situation because we have a lot of mutual friends and i want to handle it properly. I can't break up with him without telling him i had invaded his privacy. Any advice/opinion on how i should handle it would be much appreciated.</p>

<p>You should DEFINITELY break up with him. Instead of saying “I went sneaking around for your conversations,” just say that they accidentally popped up, you opened it by mistake, or something along the lines of that. Reading his conversations, it is obvious that he likes the other girl. Just say you want to take a break for a bit and move on. If he likes you, then he’ll come crawling back to you. If he likes the other girl more, he’ll pursue her. Definitely break up with him though. His “curiosity” will definitely lead to cheating eventually.</p>

<p>It’s cheating. I don’t think you have to admit that you saw the conversation though; the general situation is reason enough to break up with him.</p>

<p>Yep it’s cheating. Dump him now and save yourself the trouble.</p>

<p>This is emotional cheating and IMO the worst type of cheating. Not that cheating is ever painless, but he is denying it all and yet all the evidence is there that he is falling for a new girl.</p>

<p>Dump him. You deserve so much better than a lying, deceiving guy. He may be nice but if he truly cared about you, he wouldn’t lie to you behind your back while obviously getting his way with this girl emotionally. And truth be told, it doesnt even seem like she’s really “backing off” knowing that he has a girlfriend. Her words were nice but her meeting up with him, taking comfort in a taken guy, says otherwise.</p>

<p>DUMP. HIM. And just give him the reason it’s this girl, admit that you accidentally saw his skype (and stress that you didn’t mean to but it was just there). I know curiosity can get the best of you but he won’t have evidence to really disprove you if you saw it with your own eyes. If you just say “it’s about that girl, I think you’re cheating” he’s just going to refute you and deny.</p>

<p>^ And if he gets mad at you for looking at his conversations, tell him that it doesnt matter anymore because the trust wall broke since you accidentally saw the one conversation (the first one that gave you the hint) then completely lost his trust when you saw the last convo (when he asked the obvious question “would you be with me if i wasnt for her?”)</p>

<p>That’s definitely cheating- and no way is this guy as nice as you seem to think about it. Not to mince words, but he’s SLEAZY. If he was really that great, he would have either kept a safe distance from this girl OR broken up with you when he realized he liked her more.</p>

<p>Yes it is cheating ( sorry to say …) :frowning: its okay …u will find someone better.,.u are the practical kind right?? Not the emotional type…so think practically…get urself out of this and be happy and set him free too</p>

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<p>I think that sums it up. </p>

<p>Here’s the thing, I wouldn’t necessarily call that cheating because I do many of the same things with my best friend (a guy) and my boyfriend does many of the same things with his friends. Except for the lying- that is the only thing about your story that made my skin crawl. I detest liars. Anyway, this is not what YOU’RE comfortable with and that is what is important. </p>

<p>I wouldn’t bring up cheating when breaking up with him. Just say that you don’t like where this relationship is going, you’re not comfortable with him, and that’s that. You really don’t owe him an explanation.</p>

<p>Good luck. I know what it’s like to be continually lied to :/</p>

<p>Asking people if they’d date you if you were single is allowed? Clearly if he got a better response he’d have jumped on it.</p>

<p>Cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater. Dump him. Too bad you didn’t do it around his exams and make a big scene so he wouldn’t do as well. But…I’m petty.</p>

<p>What a scumbag! I’d definitely kick him to the curb. You don’t have to explain the exact reason for breaking up with him; simply state that the relationship isn’t working out (because it obviously isn’t). </p>

<p>You deserve so much better qualities in a guy. Never let a man treat you like this; no matter how much you may like him, men like this are never worth the struggle. </p>

<p>Good luck girlie!</p>

<p>you already finished your exams?? I wish that were true here.</p>

<p>the way you describe the guy seems like he’s really a nice person. But flirting with the other girl is completely contradictory. Personally, I think he just doesn’t want to hurt your feelings by dumping you, get with the other girl, and then make himself look like an ass. Since he already mentioned having you out of the picture, you might as well dump him before he dumps you.</p>

<p>That is definitely not something you should do when you’re in a relationship, obviously he didn’t understand the transition from single to taken. I’m so sorry that anyone would do this to you. I would suggest you not tell him that you read his conversations and just vaguely tell him that it’s not working or something. The reason for this is because you do have mutual friends, so if you say you accidentally saw his skype he may blow it out of proportion to some friends and say you were invading all of his privacy with everything and lie and make life harder with your friends later.</p>

<p>take this advice from a guy. if you want him to still trust you, don’t mention the skype</p>

<p>OP here. Thanks for the responses. I’m a little surprised that the consensus seems to be that I break up with him without talking about cheating or anything to do with the girl. The thing is, ever since I read that conversation, all I really want to do is just rage at him for lying to me this whole time, for being so deceiving and in a way, manipulative, and also for putting the issue on me. He would always say, “if I’m doing something I shouldn’t, i.e. flirting, you should tell me because I don’t know when I’m doing it ,etc”. By saying that, he has been indirectly putting the responsibility for his actions on me? I am angry that I just can’t break up with him by not stating that as the main reason much less not mention it at all, because if I don’t, I would feel like he is completely getting away with it and I would never be able to let it go. This issue has taken so much out of me, us, but mostly me. Besides wanting to reflect my own anger and feelings, I also want him to know that what he did is wrong because tbh, as wise as he is in many areas in life, I feel he is very immature emotionally when it comes to relationships, and clearly does not have boundaries when it comes to making the transition from being single to taken. I should add that when he asked her if she would date him if I nor the guy that she is seeing existed, her reply besides telling him that it is inappropriate and dodgy of him to ask was “I don’t know…probably not….” with a little explanation and she also then asked him if he was thinking of breaking things off with me if she said she would date him. His reply was no…She also expressed her opinion on our relationship, given that he has been confiding in her on our relationship problems, and said that for her, the logical thing would be to break it off but she understands that its not what he’s looking for. His reply was ”I would rather go as far as I can go, wouldn’t kill to try, if I break up with her I would just want to get her back…”. </p>

<p>The situation is more complicated because I want to stay on good terms with this girl. She is actually quite awesome and I don’t want to make things so awkward, although it inevitably will be, because we have some mutual friends and I see her around campus sometimes. It’s weird, the day after I read that conversation, I bumped into her on campus in the library for the first time in over a month (as you can imagine it was entirely awkward, as they had just been having that conversation maybe 9 hours ago the night before), and I have since bumped into her twice including once just today. </p>

<p>I also really fear what’s going to happen after we break up. Ever since we’ve been dating, I’ve been incorporated into his life and friends, and have met an entire group of people (including this girl) who have become either friends or acquaintances, and whenever there’s a hangout, I would be invited because of him. After we break up, I don’t think I would be hanging out with them much and even I if can, I don’t think I would because I don’t know if I can even be friends with him. I’d be losing a big part of what’s been my life in that respect. I’m worried what it’s going to mean for me and him, and me and friends, hence why I want to do this break up properly. It’s not like I can just dump him and be rid of him like that. </p>

<p>I am also worried about how he’s going to take the break up. I don’t know how he’s going to handle me telling him that I had read the conversations and that I know what he’s been up to. He is really bad at being accused of anything or being wrong. I just saw him today and we were arguing about something stupid and irrelevant, and I half said I didn’t believe him, and he got really worked up and mad, saying that it makes him really annoyed that I tend to say and think he’s hiding things from me, because he doesn’t. I don’t know how he would handle being wrong for once, once I tell him that I saw it with my own eyes. </p>

<p>So given all of this, do you guys still think I should break up with him without talking about the cheating/conversation part? I really can’t imagine doing that….how should I go about it so he doesn’t turn this back on me? If I break up with him by giving him some vague reason, he would probably not accept it and just whine/nag, whereas this would be an undeniably solid reason and he would have to accept that he’s in the wrong…</p>

<p>You’re in a toxic stage in a failing relationship. I’m just being honest with you here. Communication between you and him are on bad terms and in your case, you’d be much better off cutting it loose with him. It’s frightening to imagine the consequences of a breakup, but you’ll have plenty of other opportunities to meet new people. And besides, not everyone is on his side. If a breakup occurs, the more mature and understanding people will still hang out with you. As for breaking up with him, just be honest with him and tell him the truth. The point you want to really nail in though is that you are uncomfortable with your current situation with him and that things would be better off if the breakup happened. If he really cared about you, he’ll agree. If not, then he was never worth dating to begin with. I mean come on, the guy is doing sleazy things behind your back. Do you honestly want that for yourself? End this thing now and you’ll feel liberated inside. Find some other nice guy out there. Plenty of fish in the sea.</p>

<p>Parent here, and I don’t usually post on College Life. I don’t think this guy is that bad. He is confused. He is attracted to this girl, but he is going out with you. He may even like you better, but he is not certain how he feels now. This other girl seem like a very person, someone you could be friends with for a long time. </p>

<p>My opinion is I don’t think you guys are really that suited for each other. You sound like an independent girl, and it would drive me crazy if my significant other would constantly wanting to “help” other people out. I would break up with him without going into about him cheating on you because what’s the point. He can’t help how he feels, and I think he was trying to sort out his feelings, and he wasn’t trying to hurt you. I think it would have been very hard for him to admit to you that he was flirting with the other girl. I say, let him go gracefully. Keep your dignity. You may find out at some point that you weren’t really that into him anyway. By not having a big fight, all of you could still remain friends. Give your blessing, let him go. Yes, plenty of fish in the sea.</p>

<p>OP, the reason why I particularly think you shouldn’t tell him why you’d break up with him, is because guys like him will eventually get a taste of their own medicine from another girl. And, as oldfort said, you can end the relationship gracefully versus ending it with a huge squabble. Cut off all communication with him if you do choose to break up with him. That is, end the relationship by saying that you don’t feel compatible with him, and that it isn’t working out (easier said than done, I know). When the relationship ends (if it does end), it’s done and over with. You’re still young, and there is a much better guy for you out there. I don’t think you should give this guy the time of day. He is clearly in a much different place than you are.</p>

<p>I’m also a parent here - and don’t have a lot of sympathy for this guy. Definitely you need to break up with him. It’s going to be hard at first because you are dependent on his group of friends. You know what the real situation is. He is emotionally dependent on feeling like a hero to someone, helping her out etc and he’s willing to emotionally abandon you to do it and blame you or deny it if you object. He’ll never change and he’s reeled you in emotionally - so that now his attention to this other girl is making you really jealous - not a good place to be. Walk away and find other interests for awhile… try to at least partially let go of that group of friends.</p>

<p>I don’t think you should tell him why because that will just start an argument and blame it on you and try to bargain and say he’s not doing it. Good luck.</p>

<p>Sounds to me like it is time to move on here. You wrote piles of stuff that says to me that you have already over-analyzed the situation. It is important to sometimes look at the pro’s and con’s of a relationship. This is especially true when you are thinking about breaking up with someone. You want to be sure that it is the right decision. It is also important that you are cordial about the whole thing because you all share friends.</p>

<p>He is your first boyfriend, you need to have the experience of other boyfriends. That is a good reason to break up right there. If you don’t want to be caught up in any more of the entanglement then let it go at that.</p>

<p>The fact that he is needy and wants more from you sounds to me like it is his way of controlling you. He does so much for you that you have to return the favor by giving him what he wants in the relationship. There are so many other guys out there that don’t have this issue. That was all that i had to read to decide that you would be smart to move on.</p>

<p>You don’t have to give him a reason. If you tell him then it will be a long drawn out drama. The main reason that you might want to tell him is that you are mad and want to fight. But, if you decide to end it, then just end it and tell him it is time for you to have new experiences.</p>