Islam: Religion of peace

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<p>“Yup. Except when Christians perpetrate terrorism, say, by bombing abortion clinics. Then it’s not terrorism.”</p>

<p>If people were in there then I easily say it is terrorism. Why not?
Manifestations of Christian terrorism are historical too. Look at the KKK. I think its a shame how domestically we didnt do much to cleanse em out for good.</p>

<p>[Christian</a> terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism]Christian”>Christian terrorism - Wikipedia) I didn’t know such a page existed or how big it was.</p>

<p>SO, LogicWarrior, stop being so judgmental and realize that its not just Islam that has violence but Christianity (if not more) also.</p>

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<p>Neither christianity nor islam is a religion of peace or war completely. But in terms of promoting violence in God’s name, current day Islam is second to none. I’m not talking about what Islam and Christianity were in the ancient past, I’m talking about in recent years. Im talking about fundamentalist Islam terrorism - which if you don’t think exists, you have your head shoved in the sand. NOW the modern Islam is promoting a degree of violence that christianity is not. </p>

<p>And applying this to India, I do feel for the civilians killed in Mumbai and Islamabad (by earlier Indian groups). But the government’s foremost responsiblility is to act for the greater good of its people - if that means naming this situation a state of emergence and brutally culling Pakistani terrorist groups, then that is what needs to be done. India needs to put its foot down and prove to its people that it will do whatever is necessary to protect Indian lives.</p>

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<p>“All religions have violence, but Christianity is king logic warrior. Stop denying this undeniable fact and sugar coating it.”</p>

<p>The Old Testament preaches violence. The Koran preaches violence. The New Testament does not. The Sermon on the Mount even alludes to the death penalty being immoral. (turning the other cheek)</p>

<p>But that’s beside the point. We’re speaking in modern terms. Christianity and Judaism both have liberal sects that ignore the extremist language in their texts. But in Muslim countries, terrorists like al-Qaeda or the ones in Mumbai still receive popular support.</p>

<p>My point is, while Christianity has changed and become more peaceful, Islam has not.</p>

<p>And Christian terrorism doesn’t receive the popular support that Islamic terrorism does, nor is it as widespread.</p>

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<p>“I was an exchange student to the U.S., one very conservative place. People there KNOW that their Christianity is right, and anything else is wrong. Not because it’s logically correct or something, simply because they were born and raised in this sphere, and it seems great explanation for them. They were kindly trying to save my soul, hunting me in the hall at school etc.
Yeah, I wasn’t bombed or anything, but I was never left alone the whole year.”</p>

<p>Would you rather be preached at or kidnapped and beheaded?</p>

<p>Also, most of the United States isn’t like that. Where were you?</p>

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<p>“My point is, while Christianity has changed and become more peaceful, Islam has not.”</p>

<p>That is such a confabulated and typical response. where’s your proof? how do you know? the KKK still exists in sects.</p>

<p>and WHY do you keep avoiding the undeniable reality that I now am repeating for the 3rd time: historically, Christianity has been the most violent religion. I’m now insulting anyone or anything, just speaking a mere fact!</p>

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<p>Where’s your proof that Christianity has been the most violent religion? I’d say they’re probably tied with Islam.</p>

<p>And are you really trying to say that the modern KKK kills more people than al-Qaeda?</p>

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<p>“Where’s your proof that Christianity has been the most violent religion? I’d say they’re probably tied with Islam.”</p>

<p>*And until that day, CC was busy debating just USNWR rankings. *</p>

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<p>Simply google it Warrior. There’s your proof from countless articles, sites, etc.</p>

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<p>I’m not making people post anything. They’re welcome to ignore the thread.</p>

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<p>Hmm, can’t think of [url="<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks"]anything.[/url"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks"]anything.[/url</a>]</p>

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<p>Didn’t David Duke nearly win a major office in Louisiana?</p>

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<p>Stop thinking that this is a great theological battle. This is politics, nothing more. You think Osama bin Laden was a pious scholar who, one day, realized that the Koran preached violence and decided to perpetrate 9/11? No, he’s a guy who realized that people in his part of the world had no power and kept getting screwed over, and decided to try and change that. He realized that religion has always been a powerful unifying force, and preached the most extreme interpretation of his religion’s holy texts. </p>

<p>The Bible advocates the death penalty to disobedient children. How’s that for peaceful? But without a political motive to exploit those kinds of passages, Christianity is a “peaceful” religion, while Islam is a “violent” religion.</p>

<p>It’s all politics. </p>

<p>And if Islam is so inherently violent, then explain why the Ottomans allowed Jews and Orthodox Christians to peacefully exist in their vast empire, while Christian kingdoms were busy persecuting each other along with, of course, Jews and Muslims.</p>

<p>It’s all politics. No religion is inherently more violent than the other. Every religion, especially evangelical religions like Christianity and Islam, are equally prone to becoming instruments of violence.</p>

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<p>hmmm…</p>

<p>tenchar</p>

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<p>“And if Islam is so inherently violent, then explain why the Ottomans allowed Jews and Orthodox Christians to peacefully exist in their vast empire”</p>

<p>After conquering them, they kept the survivors so that they could tax them higher than Muslims. “People of the book” was a coded insult. Meanwhile, European Jews became rich bankers. (only because it was a sin in Christianity to be a banker, but still)</p>

<p>And medieval Christianity wasn’t any better. It’s just foolish to claim that Islam is a religion of peace and that Christianity is responsible for all the injustice in the world.</p>

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<p>^ a milli, did I say you forced people to post?</p>

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<p>and the idiots who did 9.11 are the same idiots who killed during the inquisition because they couldn’t handle indifference or accept tolerance.</p>

<p>so much for your one religion is better than the other argument, warrior.</p>

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<p>You’re not honestly going to try and claim that the European Christians were so kind as to let Jews become rich bankers, are you? </p>

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<p>I never claimed this. I don’t think Islam is peaceful. I don’t think Christianity is peaceful. I don’t think any evangelical religion that preaches that its message and only its message is the way to everlasting bliss has universal brotherhood in mind.</p>

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<p>Religions aren’t peaceful or warlike in the abstract.</p>

<p>Otoh, people throughout history have used religion to attain their goals (unfortunately, more negative than positive).</p>

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<p>Christians in Northern Ireland anyone??</p>

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<p>India’s intelligence is garbage Manmohan Singh is absolutely useless when it comes to security issues and his intelligence agencies are absolutely useless. They have had so many many godamn attacks, for christ sake the U.S told India there was going to be an attack in the Taj and what does india’s intelligence do two months of security, then lax’s on security. And boom we see another attack and unnecessary innocent casualities. Absolutely Disgraceful! I’m so glad Shivraj Patil resigned he’s absolute garbage and ought to rebuked severly for his incompetence. </p>

<p>Pakistan and Muslims, what can I say their actions speak for themselves. Anyone, who thinks that Pakistan isn’t responsible for this calamity in addition to the HUNDREDS of other calamities is a MORON! I swear to God Pakistan’s sole purpose it to make the lives of Indians a living hell hole. The country is a terrorist state just like Iran; I swear I see absolutely no difference between Iran who sends proxies to kills U.S soldiers and Iraelis and Pakistan who sends proxies to kill Indians and foreigners. Country needs to be completly revamped; I mean new everything government, thinking, philosophy, etc.</p>

<p>One other thing this islam being a peaceful religion is nonsense. I’m not going to say every Muslim is a terrorist, because as a Christian I’d be foolish since Chrisitanity has made its own serious flaws. HOWEVER, my assertion is essentially Islam has no refermation and no understanding of tolerance. How? Look at their beliefs: They advocate that women should basically be subservient to men, and take away every goddamn right. Honestly, if I were a woman and born in a Muslim my life would be hell hole particularly if I were born in one of those crazy fundamentalist families. My husband would be thirty years older then me, he’d have another 3 wives, I couldn’t drive, if my husband beat me up then I’d have to take it. I mean for godsakes this absolute nonsense, I really don’t care who you are or what your religion is, everyone (regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, gender orientation, religion, etc.) has a right to justice and life</p>

<p>As far as “tolerance” goes look at this, courtesy CIA Factbook</p>

<p>Pakistan
Muslim 95% (Sunni 75%, Shia 20%), other (includes Christian and Hindu) 5% </p>

<p>Iran
Muslim 98% (Shia 89%, Sunni 9%), other (includes Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian, and Baha’i) 2%</p>

<p>Afghanistan
Sunni Muslim 80%, Shia Muslim 19%, other 1%</p>

<p>Iraq
Muslim 97% (Shia 60%-65%, Sunni 32%-37%), Christian or other 3% </p>

<p>I find this really funny, because if all these Muslim majoritiy countries are so “tolerant” why is it that they are all 95%+ Muslim, and never had one I repeat one major politician who wasn’t Muslims.</p>

<p>I can speak for India at least, who they’ve had</p>

<p>Manmohan Singh: Current Prime Minister, Sikh
Indira Gandhi: India’s Eighth Prime Minister, Woman
Pratibha Patil: India’s Current President, Woman
Zakir Hussain: India’s Third President, MUSLIM
Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed: India’s Second President, MUSLIM
Abdul Kalam: India’s Eleventh President, MUSLIM</p>

<p>In conclusion, India is way way more progressive (Secular Government) than any of its Muslim neighbors and has included minorities despite being a Hindu majority into its top political position. Its Muslim counterparts hasn’t even granted minority religions equal rights or justice, I speak from personal experience and the above data, so please spare me the nonsense about tolerance and peace just reform yourself and get your thinking out of the fourteenth century and into the twenty-first century.</p>

<p>Peace, and may God bless us all.</p>

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but here is where you’re wrong, you simple person. True Islam does not demand subservience of women to men. True, Muslim women are abused in countries like Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. Even worse than not being able to drive, in nations like Somalia, some endure female genital mutilation as children - how can it get worse than that? but none of this is justified in the Koran, it is made up garbage enforced on people as part of their culture, it is unjust, but women are powerless to stop it. I’ve heard in Somalia, as 7 yr old girls undergo genital mutiliation, and are told it is required by Islam - none of this is, it is not Islamic, it goes against Islam in every way. </p>

<p>Have you ever seen the documentary Jesus Camp? It depicts right-wing Christian extremists in the U.S.A. Some of those people are scary…the way they brainwash their children. Do I think all Christians across the U.S are like this? Of course not. It represents a minority, thank god…those people scare me the most, because they’re Americans, they live amongst us, but they’re insane. </p>

<p>I hate to point this out to you, but you’re promoting the stereotype of the ignorant redneck christian…the reason India has more minority leaders, is because India is a VERY diverse country. India has the 2nd largest Muslim population in the world, after Indonesia, so it’s not surprising it has Muslim leaders, as opposed to its neighbor Pakistan, which is 95% Muslim. India has far more Muslims than Pakistan. I agree with you India is the more tolerant nation, but remember is has the 2nd largest Islamic population worldwide.</p>