<p>“those people scare me the most, because they’re Americans, they live amongst us, but they’re insane.”</p>
<p>Seriously? Christians scare you more than al-Qaeda and Somalian genital-mutilators?</p>
<p>haha at stargazerlilies… </p>
<p>“sure islam is regularly used to justify horrible acts in dozens of countries and promotes institutionalized violence against women and gays, BUT HAVE YOU SEEN THAT MOVIE WITH THE WACKY CHRISTIANS??”</p>
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<p>When was the last time an al-Qaeda member or Somalian genital-mutilator infiltrate the American government and held powerful offices?</p>
<p>The simple fact is that TODAY (not during the crusades, not during the inquisition but today) virtually 100% of terrorism on the planet is perpetrated by muslims. The simple fact is that while hundreds of millions of muslims protested (in many cases violently) the Danish Cartoons, no one in the muslim world is protesting the slaughter or innocent people in Mumbai, just like they did not protest 9/11 or the murder or russian children in Beslan or Madrid bombing or any other act of islamic terrorism.</p>
<p>The simple fact is that not only the muslim world is not protesting all these attrocities but it is doing absolutely nothing to eradicate them either. Every single mosque or maddrassa that 10 years ago preached intolerance, violence, the hatred of the west, christianity, jews, hindus etc is still there at exactly the same place preaching the same old intolerance, violence and hatred to the next generation of muslim children.</p>
<p>And no amount of political correctness or spin can change these simple facts.</p>
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It is safe to say that these perceptions do not reflect the whole Islamic world. There are, of course, moderate western Islams, and a most effective means of fighting people’s silliness is to avoid telling them they are silly. For example: the ideas used to justify a lot of Shari’a come from Arabic traditions as opposed to Islamic texts, and (where I am) there is a fairly clear-cut argument that if Islam is to be a globally recognized way of life, then it has to bend to the law (custom) of the land - hence no Shari’a. Like all popular religions, Islam is crappy enough to have many contradictions, and one of the stellar examples is the seminal leader Halima (a woman), who was well-respected. The main argument used by the conservative Muslims agains women’s rights is a wry comment by Mohammed, but I hear too many moderates dismiss that for me to take the blanket sentiment of your paragraph seriously. </p>
<p>It’s crappy because it’s a religion. There are indeed violent editions. But the word connotes esteemed practices that merit peaceful respect, and we should not think that we “know” the entire “Muslim world” (what a strawman, like the “violent homosexual community”) from extremist gleanings. See my post on the first page of this thread - and the Times article therein - about the struggle that secularists face with the horrors of Darul Uloom.</p>
<p>“When was the last time an al-Qaeda member or Somalian genital-mutilator infiltrate the American government and held powerful offices?”</p>
<p>Getting elected isn’t exactly infiltration, nice try though.</p>
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<p>Elected or not, Reagan and Bush did more harm than Osama bin Laden.</p>
<p>“Faith-Based Initiatives,” on the other hand, constitute infiltration.</p>
<p>do you’re reading guys… its obvious what is going on
[Islamofascism</a> - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism]Islamofascism”>Islamofascism - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>^^Geeknerd, lmao. Totally couldn’t agree more.</p>
<p>There are many Islamic fascists. And there are many Christian fascists. There are many Hindu fascists, and Jewish fascists, and Buddhist fascists (well maybe not so many of those). Condemning an entire religion because of a handful of its followers is just bigotry. Why not condemn Christians? After all, Hitler was Christian–Nazi fighters bore the iron cross on their wings–the swastika itself is a cross made of axes (read it in a Vonnegut book :p). Better yet, let’s condemn Hindus. I came across a Hindu guy today who bumped into me on the street and didn’t even apologize! And then there was this Jew (happened to me my mother) who didn’t loan me $5 even when I asked nicely. So let’s condemn them, too.</p>
<p>Sorry, I shouldn’t have said scared me as much. But they are scary. They compared themselves to terrorists in the Middle East and said that while they disagreed with their religious views, they had the right idea, because Christians are sitting back and doing little, and the Muslims are radical, out of control, and acting out. They admired that aspect. The idea that these people can admire something like that scares me…</p>
<p>And I was NOT comparing those wackjob Christians to the nuts in the Middle East - I was just providing an example that even today, there are Christian nutso’s out there, right here in America. I was trying to say violence against women isn’t tolerated by islam, it’s a cultural practice. But don’t generalize an entire religion. The 2 nations with largest Muslim populations aren’t even Mideastern.
I agree that the most terror in the modern day is committed by Islamo-fascists and that’s sad. Did you know the U.S.A actually allows all forms of Islam to be practiced, and most Middle-Eastern nations don’t? Yet they attack us as though we had attacked their religion…it boggles my mind. Do not think I was making light of terror…I’m from NY, I had family/neighbors/family of friends die on 9/11.</p>
<p>“Reagan and Bush did more harm than Osama bin Laden.”</p>
<p>After you read my post, your first response will be “but Reagan funded Osama!” True. He funded him in the 80’s against the Soviet Union. His modern funding comes from Saudi Arabia, the Taliban pre-2001 and it’s remnants post-2001, and Pakistan.</p>
<p>Anyway. Al-Qaeda’s been linked to not just 9-11, but terrorist attacks in London, Spain, Indonesia, and this new one in Mumbai. Not to mention al-Qaeda in Iraq which has killed more Iraqis than the Americans have.</p>
<p>And Osama was one of many anti-Russian groups that Reagan funded. How would Reagan know that bin Laden would attack America and not the Polish Solidarity movement, for example?</p>
<p>I am no history expert. But it seems to me some of the European powers played quite a historic role for many of the major current/recent conflicts in Africa, India, or the Balkans…etc. It’s like things were in equilibrium but they disrupted it and now no one can undo the mess.</p>
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Oh really? And how many terror attacks have been carried out by these Christian fascists, Hindu, Jewish, Buddhist fascists in the last say 30 years? You can count them on the fingers of one hand. The total number will likely be less than the number of Islamic terror attacks during an average week.</p>
<p>Lest we forget the reaction to these Christian/Hindu/Jewish/Buddhist terror attacks (all five of them) in corresponding Christian/Hindu etc communities - shame, outrage, embarrassment, indignation. And the reaction of the muslim world to muslim terror attacks - complete silence if not tacit support.</p>
<p>If I had enough political power in India I would declare Nuclear Warfare on pakistan. I’d have 20 nukes set on all major regions (Karachi, etc.) and blow the f*** out of those terrorists once and for all I wouldn’t care about the innocent lives lost their education system is terrible anyway no one would be worth keeping alive. They’re all brainwashed fools anyway.</p>
<p>Here’s something to ponder your headies on. Why is the prospect of God’s love is talked about in Christianity and Islam? “God loves his children” “God loves you” and “Allah loves those who do Good,” “Allah loves the good-hearted.” </p>
<p>why don’t you hear Jews talking about God’s love for you, he seems aloof and distant in Judaism who can’t even be talked about. I don’t want to sound ignorant or rude but why does Judaism seem more of like fashion trend than a religion? LOL. I never hear of God’s love for human beings in Judaism. It seems like its more about the commercialization of God rather than the direct worship and love God and share his love to others.</p>
<p>Who is following me on this?</p>
<p>I can’t believe you’re picking on Jews now…seriously, replacing one stereotype with another? not nice. Also, why does no one get that Allah is just Arabic for God? You didn’t refer to the Jewish God as “Yahweh”. In Italy, Roman Catholics call their god “Dio” which is Italian for god, but it’s understood that they mean the same god English-speaking Catholics refer to…but with Islam people insist on using “Allah” for every language, when English speaking muslims will just say “god”. Does that make sense? lol</p>
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<p>Hey, the followers of the religion of peace were targeting and murdering jews in Mumbai a few days ago even though jews have nothing to do with the Indo-Pakistani conflict. Picking on Jews is their usual MO, nothing particularly new or surprising here. In this specific case he is just desperately trying to change the topic.</p>
<p>I wasnt picking on Jews I had a question. Read my post again. How come no love in judaism?</p>
<p>Followers of religion, exactly.
They are not peaceful.
Why does it make religion not peaceful? Unless you read the ‘Holy Book’ and understand it literally, of course</p>
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<p>Islamic terrorism is a relatively new concept that coincides with the political and economic exploitation of the Middle East by the West. Historically, Muslim societies were willing to allow other religions to exist peacefully in their empires.</p>