<p>double post</p>
<p>"How many Americans who are rooting for Hezbollah to "win" realize that they are the TERRORIST organization responsable for the most US deaths, save for Al Keida (spelling?"</p>
<p>Israel has also committed many acts equivalent to state terrorism, you could just search the web and find them. Both Hezbollah and Israel commit terrorist acts, but the question is, did the Lebanese people deserve such retaliation for something that Hezbollah did. Hezbollah is located in the south of Lebanon, yet Beirut, which is in central Lebanon, recieved so much of the bombing, and so many normal civilians died there. For two captured soldiers, they kill 500 civilians. </p>
<p>This if from Associated Press:</p>
<p>"JERUSALEM - Israel has agreed to a 48-hour suspension of aerial activity in south Lebanon while it investigates an attack on a Lebanese village that killed a number of children, U.S. State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said Sunday.</p>
<p>The airstrike killed at least 56 Lebanese, mostly women and children, when it leveled a building where they had taken shelter. The deadliest attack in nearly three weeks of warfare forced Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to cut short a Mideast mission and increased world pressure on the United States to back an end to the fighting.</p>
<p>The attack in the village of Qana brought Lebanon's confirmed death toll to more than 510. Throughout the day, workers pulled dirt-covered bodies of young boys and girls _ dressed in the shorts and T-shirts they had been sleeping in _ out of the rubble of the three-story building."</p>
<p>Clearly, Hezbollah is not the only terrorist organization participating in this conflict.</p>
<p>How many Americans who are rooting for Hezbollah to "win" realize that they are the TERRORIST organization responsable for the most US deaths, save for Al Keida (spelling?)."</p>
<p>Who exactly are these Americans who are rooting for Hezbollah? And the organization responsible for the second-most US deaths, other than "Al-Qaeda in Iraq" is the myriad coalition of Islamic Resistance Movement, Al-Sadr Brigade, Islamic Jihad, et. al; all of the insurgency in Iraq.</p>
<p>"People, it is to out best interest that these people be wiped off the map. If Lebanon does not want to be retalliated on by the actions of Hezbollah, which is part of it's own government, then they should disban Hezbollah, as they have agreed to already and failed to do."</p>
<p>Noone is saying Hezbollah shouldn't be dealt with severely, so I don't understand your constant appeals for it's demise. And yes Lebanon should've kicked out Hezbollah years ago, but it's difficult with 60% of the population is comprised of Muslims and Syrian and Iranian influences have all but pervaded the government.</p>
<p>"Again, the double standard is sickening here, the terrorists are painted as the victims."</p>
<p>Again, who the hell is showing sympathy towards Hezbollah?</p>
<p>That's the link to the article in case any one wanted to read it.</p>
<p>From what you've stated so far, you're maniacally bent on maintaining a narrow view of the situation.</p>
<p>For example:</p>
<p>UN peacekeepers in south Lebanon contacted Israeli troops 10 times before an Israeli bomb killed four of them, an initial UN report says...</p>
<p>UN chief Kofi Annan has accused Israel of deliberately bombing a UN observation post and killing four peacekeepers....Angry United Nations officials said Israel continued firing on the post as a rescue mission was begun to free two UN peacekeepers trapped under the rubble. </p>
<p>And like I said earlier:</p>
<p>It is a shame that Hezbollah happens to base its self in an area full of civilians, many of which do not support them.</p>
<p>It is also a shame that there are people out there who will never come to terms with the reality that Israel has done wrong at times, including during the current crisis. I guess people's blind faith in religion and race will stop peace from ever coming to the Middle East; be it Arab or Jew.</p>
<p>I read this post before....was it from the other thread? If you look at my comment on my thread, I gave a bunch of links. One of the links gives a reason why Israel attacked the base. Also, there was a thread on here showing that Hezbollah were firing rockets from people's houses...would explain the civilian casualties.</p>
<p>"The building itself was not targeted," Israeli government spokeswoman Miri Eisen told CNN. "The building itself was next to the rocket-launcher sites and we are targeting all of those rocket-launcher sites. This was a mistake and we will have a full investigation."</p>
<p>It's crystal clear that Israel views Lebanese, and other innocent civilians as expendable collateral. Try looking at the issue from both points of view. Both sides are to blame.</p>
<p>Okay, my internet is so slow and I can't get to the link. Anyway, according to some Canadian paper (the same one that posted an email that a Canadian UN official sent before being hit by Israel) that said Israel was bombing near 4 other UN stations that had rocket activity, which implied that Hezbollah was using them as a shield so that if they were to be attacked, Israel would get the blame rather than Hezbollah. (which happened as planned)</p>
<p>And to firewalker, you keep saying 'both sides are at fault', yet you always blame Israel...shenategans?</p>
<p>Israel included targets that it cannot justify. It has literally said "we think we saw someone fire rockets from "THE AREA" and so we dropped bombs on it."
Look at the originial post, I'm simply responding to points stated by the "pro-Israeli" side. I.E:</p>
<p>"How many Americans who are rooting for Hezbollah to "win" realize that they are the TERRORIST organization responsable for the most US deaths, save for Al Keida (spelling?)."</p>
<p>It's already been established that Hezbollah deserves whatever they get 100%, but there seems to be a lack of objective discourse in this thread.</p>
<p>And for s[h]its and giggles heres:</p>
<p>"...in order to prevent casualties among Israeli soldiers battling Hezbollah militants in southern Lebanon, villages should be flattened by the Israeli air force before ground troops moved in."</p>
<p>What's more is Israel has admitted using cluster bombs in heavily civilian areas. Without prior warning.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5213026.stm%5B/url%5D">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5213026.stm</a>
<a href="http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/07/24/isrlpa13798.htm%5B/url%5D">http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/07/24/isrlpa13798.htm</a></p>
<p>What we need to do is stop this Cash and Carry/Lend-Lease act bullshi[t] immediately. Anyone who thinks we're taking a neutral position on this is kidding him/herself.</p>
<p>Those still aren't quotes. That's what the article is interpreting what he's saying.
Unless they put up quotes, that's only the article, not a representative, or official of Israel.</p>
<p>I agree with you on cluster bombs. Israel shouldn't be using those to attack a big city such as Beruit. Maybe the intelligence they are getting is only telling them that it's in the vicinity of a area rather than being specific. Even so, they shouldn't be using those on a major city...even though it was supposed to be evacuated.</p>
<p>""All those now in south Lebanon are terrorists who are related in some way to Hezbollah," Mr Ramon said. " That is from the Israeli Justice Minister.</p>
<p>Why is Israel bombing Beirut and other parts of Lebanon. Why did they bomb the airport? I'm pretty sure the Lebanese governmnet would have closed down the airport anyways because of all the fighting. As we can see, Israel is not only targeting Hezbollah in the south, it seems that they aim to literally destroy the Lebanese infrustructure and economy as well. This conflict will not bring peace, even if there is a cease fire, because now Lebanese citizens who had not supported Hezbollah before will now put all thier support for Hezbollah. Israel is just creating more problems for itself by taking such an aggressive attack on Lebanon, not just Hezbollah.</p>
<p>Everyone seems to be forgetting that Israel claims that the building that was bombed contained stockpiles of weapons. I guess they must be lying?</p>
<p>Which buildings? I was talking about the whole infrustructure, bridges, airports, etc. Yes, they could be lying. They have purposely hit civilian vehicles as well, they bombed a ambulance that had a clear red cross sign on top of it. (saw that on CNN)</p>
<p>Oh No! Guguru is back from his little hive! RUN FOR THE HILLS! RUN AWAY! Save yourselves while you can.</p>
<p>The airport...one of the only things Israel bombed that I think was a real good decision...
Are you gonna tell me Hez. wouldn't have used the airport? That Iran or Syria wouldn't have sent wepons to Hezbolla by plane?</p>
<p>When you say the bombing of the airport was unjustified, then you either missed the whole picture, or you are all for Israel being decimated by a bunch of terrorists. They didn't kill anyone by bombing the airport. What they did was trap Hezbollah, which is a perfectly sound strategic move.</p>
<p>That was their initial respnce to Hezbolla that they meant buisness. If Hezbollah said 'Okay, we'll give you your souldiers back and call it a day' and not send them to Iran, this conflict wouldn't be where it's at.</p>
<p>Firewalker,
You, sir have lost perspective on things, or may have never had it. Let me paint this clearly:</p>
<p>Hezbollah had pledged the destruction of Israel
Hezbollah is being funded and directed by Iran, who's president has in the last few months pledged that the holloaust was not real and that he wants Israel destroyed.
Hezbollah STARTED this confloct
Hezbollah is PART of the Lebanese Government
UN REsolution 1559 (?) placed the responsibility on Lebanon to DISBAMD Hezbollah , they failed to do so
Hezbollah is TARGETING civillians (they just have inferior weapons)
Hezbollah uses civillian areas as sheilds</p>
<p>Israel is literally fighting for it's survival, they need to take out ALL Hezbollah targets because it is critical to their survival.</p>
<p>Israel took out infrastructure so that Hezbollah cannot be resupplied with weapons. Seems like a smart move to me!</p>
<p>"Oh No! Guguru is back from his little hive! RUN FOR THE HILLS! RUN AWAY! Save yourselves while you can."</p>
<p>Ooh, very mature and very pathetic. I would retort, but judging from some of your other threads, you don't need me to cause any more problems for you.</p>
<p>"The airport...one of the only things Israel bombed that I think was a real good decision...
Are you gonna tell me Hez. wouldn't have used the airport? That Iran or Syria wouldn't have sent wepons to Hezbolla by plane?"</p>
<p>I clearly stated that the LEbanese government would shut down the airport for saftey purposes. How would Hezbollah have used the airport? Iran and Syria would not have risked sending in airplanes, cause no doubt they would have been shot down by Israel once the Israeli airforce figured out they were from Syria and Iran.</p>
<p>"When you say the bombing of the airport was unjustified, then you either missed the whole picture, or you are all for Israel being decimated by a bunch of terrorists. They didn't kill anyone by bombing the airport. What they did was trap Hezbollah, which is a perfectly sound strategic move."</p>
<p>That's true, but you missed the point of my post. I said that they were purposely destroying Lebanese infrustructure, and purposely destroying the Lebanese economy. haha, if you really believe that Hezbollah has the power to decimate Israel, you really give hezbollah too much credit.</p>
<p>"That was their initial respnce to Hezbolla that they meant buisness. If Hezbollah said 'Okay, we'll give you your souldiers back and call it a day' and not send them to Iran, this conflict wouldn't be where it's at."</p>
<p>Israel has detained thousands of palestinians, regardless of whether they are actually militants or not. Hezbollah wanted a prisoner exchange, which would never happen. Why would Hezbollah give the soldiers back? They obviously captured them for a reason. Send them to Iran????</p>
<p>"Israel took out infrastructure so that Hezbollah cannot be resupplied with weapons. Seems like a smart move to me!"</p>
<p>And yet, oddly enough, Hezbollah is still launching over 100 rockets a day, and have added new more advanced arsenal. Hmm, yes, that move really worked. And again, why bomb Beirut? I'm sure many supplies that come from Syria do not travel through Beirut.</p>
<p>"UN REsolution 1559 (?) placed the responsibility on Lebanon to DISBAMD Hezbollah , they failed to do so"</p>
<p>Israel couldnt get rid of Hezbollah from 1982-2000, do you honestly believe that Lebanon can? </p>
<p>"Hezbollah is PART of the Lebanese Government"</p>
<p>They arent that big of a part, and many parties have militant and politica wings. Example, IRA and the Sinn Fein, and they have thier fair share of civilian bombings.</p>
<p>Why do you reply like that? I HATE it when peole reply like that. It's like a challenge or something. </p>
<p>Yeah, I know I made a bunch of stupid threads (like the one that's one of the top of this forum) So what? Who cares if I made 100 stupid threads? Each of those 100 stupid threads helped me out psycologically. Things that I would never talk about to someone in the 'real world' out of pure sheer embarassment. Butit gets a load off your chest when you can talk about your problems with random people who don't know the hell you are.</p>
<p>/rant</p>
<p>Back to topic:</p>
<p>Israel's airport attack was their decleration of war on Hezbollah. Before that, no one thought Israel was gonna seriosly do anything about the current situation because...well....it's kinda happened before.<br>
Besides the point, if the Lebanese were too afraid to attack Hezbollah and stopped this from happening, who's to stop them from not shutting down the airport? And although Hezbollah definetly can't finish Israel with a limited supply of ammunition, they have a small fighting chance to demoralize Israel if they got a constant payload.</p>
<p>Hezbollah didn't offer any kind of peace agreement until AFTER Israel started attacking Beruit. And even then, their demands were very unreasonable. (like 100 for 2. ***?!?) They were in no place to negotiate. They are on the defensive.If they are serious about it, they would give Israel the prisoners and be on their way. They never did that. So sorry, but no sympothy there.</p>
<p>Damn, if it wasn't for the slow dial-up, I'd give you a link when they sent the prisoners to Iran, which infuriated Israel and sent them attacking Beruit. You obviously forgot the news.</p>