<p>Collegebug - I just heard today that FoxNews is either the 5th or 6th most watched network in the country while CNN is high teens or low twenties. Might want to think twice before u type.</p>
<p>"Collegebug - I just heard today that FoxNews is either the 5th or 6th most watched network in the country while CNN is high teens or low twenties. Might want to think twice before u type."</p>
<p>tripperian, I think that's just proving what some other people, maybe it was college bug, said about most Americans being brainwashed by right wing news channels.</p>
<p>No, it is CNN and other lib shows that brainwash u by only showing whats happening in Lebanon, not showing both sides of whats goin on.</p>
<p>"No, it is CNN and other lib shows that brainwash u by only showing whats happening in Lebanon, not showing both sides of whats goin on."</p>
<p>lolololol</p>
<p>thats funny, I was just watching CNN, and they were definitly showing both sides of the war, not just the Israeli side like they usually show.</p>
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<p>U mean the hezbollah/Lebanon side.</p>
<p>that's what you think... how can you be so naive?</p>
<p>I presume it would be hard to find a a rocket or rocket launcher in a building destroyed by a big bomb. Also I am going to believe the Jews on this one when they say terrorists fired from this building. Because to me its either I believe Hezbulla or Israel. If you choose to believe Hezbullah, well I guess that shows whats really going on in your mind. I hope you people know by the way that a laser guided missle doesnt guide itself, it has to ahve someone first place a target. So a pilot can easily or whoever operates the machinery can make a mistake, but I believe in this case a mistake was not made and that rockets were actually fired from the apartment. In terms of media let me ask you this. How many of you know about Israel's airstrike on the UN post. Now how many of you know that the UN peacekeepers often complained to the UN about the proximity of the Hezbullah to them. How many of you know about Hezbullah firing on the UN in this very same conflict. And how many of you know about when in 2000 Hezbulla kidnapped Israeli soldiers and the UN peacekeepers videotapped everything, instead of doing their job and stopping it, then got rid of the evidence. Pretended there was no video tape. And when months later Kofi finally announced the existance of the tape he refused to hand it over and when he finally did hand it over the film was edited so that Israel couldn not identify terrorist. And how many of you know that this was done in the name of neutrality.</p>
<p>One last question my friends. In the summer of 2005 Israel left every inch of the Gaza strip. It expelled every single Jew from the territory. It even took the necessary steps to dig up Jewish graves and move them out of Israel. This was done in hopes of peace. The Israelis felt that since the Palestinian Arabs claimed they wanted land, if they were given the land they would stop their violence. So Israel gives away Gaza. The Palestinian Arabs finally got what they wanted. So did they build up a country or a state of their own? No. Did they use the amazing farming equipment left behind to cultivate world class oranges, lettuce heads, and other agricultural items? No. What did they do? They vandalized and destroyed FORMER synagogues and built up their terror bases. The day Israel left all of Gaza, rockets rained in on Sderot. Fine maybe it will pass thought the Jews. Nope rocket attacks continued. They became a daily part of life for some Jews. This all culminated in the summer of 2006 when Arab terrorist left their safe haven of Gaza murdered two Israeli soldiers in Israel, and kidnapped one. A few days later Arab terrorists in Judea and Shomrom kidnapped and murdered an Israeli teen studying in Yeshiva. To top all this off a week later Hezbullah rushed the burder, went into Israel, kidnapped 2 soldiers and murdered 6. Then they started to barrage northern Israel with rockets. So now here comes my question. YOU are the Prime Minister of Israel. YOU are the Defense Minister. What do YOU do. You have 3 kidnapped soldiers, 8 dead soldiers, and a dead teen. Rockets continue to rain in on Israel. You tried peace last summer but it failed. So how do YOU respond. Please do not sidestep this question. Those opposed to this Israeli military operation, what is the alternative for the democratic country of Israel.</p>
<p>"They became a daily part of life for some Jews." Why is it that the American media hasnt covered this story because If one Jewish person dies as a result of a terrorist attack it almost never goes without mention yet when a Lebanese person or a person from a Muslim country is killed you never hear about it not even covered. For some odd reason more importance is given to the lives of Jewish people than those of Muslims. I am not making excuse for Hezbollah or any terrorist organization but can you understand why they would kill? If someone murdered your entire family and blew down your home would you not resort to the same degree of hostility?.. I would. </p>
<p>The war is sad and yes there are those who infiltrate and give the people a bad name but those were innocent kids man they know nothing about politics or grudges theyr'e innocent human beings paying a debt that will never be paid off.</p>
<p>First off the American press never covered the Sderot bombing stories. In fact I dont think you know where Sderot is. Its not in Northern Israel but in Southern/Central. Right next to the border with Gaza. Also American and Int'l press always covers stories where innocent Muslims die even though it is accidental and usually the fault of the arab terrorists. I am sure you are old enough to remember all the noise over the "Jenin Massacre" which never happened and which had the UN and every media outlet apologizing to Israel for its completely innacurate reportage, but all of that is not important. Let me answer it this way. Let us say before the summer of 2005 everything you said was true and that Jews are fair game. That there is a moral equivalency bw what Israel does and what the terrorists do. Fine. For the sake of this discussion I agree. However why do the rockets continue and increase after the summer of 2005. Israel made the peace overture in return it expects a similar move by the arabs. But yet you still didnt answer my initial question. Read it one more time and this time please try to answer. I am genuinely curious about people who diagree with this israeli stirke think should be the alternative.</p>
<p>"I presume it would be hard to find a a rocket or rocket launcher in a building destroyed by a big bomb."</p>
<p>No probably not, and the rocket launchers that Hezbollah use are huge, which is why Israel has to use missles to get rid of them, and can't just strafe them with machine guns. They arent hand held. Someone posted a link of Hezbollah fighters with thier rockets.</p>
<p>"If you choose to believe Hezbullah, well I guess that shows whats really going on in your mind."</p>
<p>Hezbollah kidnaps two soldiers, kills 6, and over the past month about 50 Israeli's have died from rocket attacks. Over the same month, around 500 Lebanese CIVILIANS, NOT HEZBOLLAH, have died. You support Israel, well I guess that shows whats really going on in your mind.</p>
<p>"Now how many of you know that the UN peacekeepers often complained to the UN about the proximity of the Hezbullah to them. How many of you know about Hezbullah firing on the UN in this very same conflict."</p>
<p>That is true, but did they blow the UN post up with a precision guided bomb? NO. Is Hezbollah even part of the UN? NO. Is Israel? Yes, and yet Israel bombed the UN. hmmmmmm</p>
<p>"And how many of you know about when in 2000 Hezbulla kidnapped Israeli soldiers and the UN peacekeepers videotapped everything, instead of doing their job and stopping it, then got rid of the evidence. "</p>
<p>The UN isnt allowed to do anything, and could you provide a link for that.</p>
<p>"One last question my friends. In the summer of 2005 Israel left every inch of the Gaza strip. ................The day Israel left all of Gaza, rockets rained in on Sderot. Fine maybe it will pass thought the Jews. Nope rocket attacks continued"</p>
<p>Wow, wow, you are arguing on this thread and you don't know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah. Hezbollah is lebanese, they were made to defend Lebanon from when Israel attacked it in 1982, Hama is Palestinian, they want land from Israel. TWO WHOLE SEPARATE STORIES AND GROUPS BUDDY. </p>
<p>wow is all i have to say. </p>
<p>"You have 3 kidnapped soldiers, 8 dead soldiers, and a dead teen. Rockets continue to rain in on Israel. You tried peace last summer but it failed. So how do YOU respond. Please do not sidestep this question. Those opposed to this Israeli military operation, what is the alternative for the democratic country of Israel."</p>
<p>This is a good point, but many of these actions were by palestinian militants, like hamas, al-aqsa brigade, plo, etc. THEY ARENT HEZBOLLAH AND THEY DONT COME FROM LEBANON. YOU HAVE PROVED YOU REALLY DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON. </p>
<p>In addition, Israel has also killed its fair share of Palestinians, destroyed thousands of homes, left thousands of Palestinians to live on the street and in refugee camps. Israel has created its own problems, and now its dealing with the Palestinians by invading Lebanon???????? Israel has detained thousands of "suspected" militants. </p>
<p>Now to your question, the alternative for Israel would either be to go with the prisoner exchange, wchih they dont do because they dont deal with "terrorists", so thats that. </p>
<p>And think about it, those kidnapped soldieres could be any where in Lebanon, they could be in Syria, they could be in Iran, they could be dead, and the Israeli govt is smart enough to know this. A prisoner exchange would bring those 2 soldiers home, not invading another soverign nation.</p>
<p>skisaloman90, from the perspective of a Lebanese teen, I'm assuming your a guy, what would you think now. Clearly, you would now support Hezbollah, and this conflict has just created another generation of eager Hezbollah recruits.</p>
<p>I actually do know the history of the Middle East very well. And I grouped terrorists like Hamas and Hezbullah together for a few reasons. First, Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000. It is now the year 2006. For six years Hezbullah's mission as you claim is obsolete. However, for 6 yrs Hezbulla has continued its terror, often operating from Judea and Shomrom. Second I grouped those two together because all three events happened pretty much at the same time. Israel was attacked this summer from 3 fronts. You have to understand the frustration the people and government felt. I was not connecting Gaza to Lebanon as one I was merely setting up the mindset for how I wanted you to asnwer this question. At the same time I wanted you to deal with the Gaza issue as well because for Israel that plays a role in how they deal with the Lebanon issue. Now I want to clarify that Israel did not attack the Lebanese government in 1982. It attacked the PLO. Many Lebanese are still grateful to the Jews for getting rid of those terrorists for them. You are right, the UNFIL are observors. Their duty is to observe and then report. They did not have a legal obligation to save those kidnapped soldiers (a moral one? perhaps) But being that their job is to observe and report and recommend necessary steps, they did neither of those. I was using the example of this UN ineptness to show how the Jews are in this one by themselves and the media and world arent that sympathetic to them. Now, I am glad you answered my question about the prisoner exchange. I would like you to be a little more detailed though. What kind of prisoner exchange? I assume 2 kidnapped soldiers for 2 terrorists. Do you think they will throw in Ron Arads dead body too? Also what kind of terrorists is Israel to release. One of the requested prisoners is a lebanese man who infiltrated Israel from Lebanon. Broke into an Israeli home killed the mother and smashed the baby's head against the wall. Is he to be included in this exchange? Since this is your solution to the conflict in Lebanon, I assume you believe this will work meaning that Hezbullah will no longer kidnapp soldiers or attack Israel and conversely Israel would have no reason to fight them. Correct? I would appreciate it if you continued to stay and discuss this with me. I think I have proven to you I do know what I am talking about and maybe you know see the reasons why I said what I said.</p>
<p>YOu are right skisaloman89 I don't know any of the history between Lebanon and Israel I never claimed to have known. In fact, I am pretty ignorant to the situation but I have seen Israel claim to be a victim yet all I see is them being the aggressors and killing children I don't see how this would make them victims. You can throw all the facts you want at me and chastise me for my ignorance but this still doesnt eliminate the fact that Israel has and continues to bombard people claiming to be rooting out the few bad apples what kind of a sick twisted military strategy is that... There is no regard to human life and less if its a Muslim life being taken. SHAMEFUL!!!</p>
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<p>Why are u only taking into account the last month? Oh thats right...CNN didnt show u all the suicide bombings in Israel over the last few years. And where are u getting this "500 Lebanese CIVILIANS" thing, show me some links that support these numbers. I dont know if u know this, but non-militants die in war. You believe that fighting in WWII was for a just cause right? Well guess what, millions of civilians died in that war.</p>
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<p>WOW, YOU ARE A ****** TERRORIST.</p>
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YOu are right skisaloman89 I don't know any of the history between Lebanon and Israel I never claimed to have known. In fact, I am pretty ignorant to the situation but I have seen Israel claim to be a victim yet all I see is them being the aggressors and killing children I don't see how this would make them victims. You can throw all the facts you want at me and chastise me for my ignorance but this still doesnt eliminate the fact that Israel has and continues to bombard people claiming to be rooting out the few bad apples what kind of a sick twisted military strategy is that... There is no regard to human life and less if its a Muslim life being taken. SHAMEFUL!!!
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<p>Again, just wow, more brainwashing by our media. Have u forgotten or just to stupid enough not to remember the suicide bombers that strap themselves with dynamite, walk into Israel shops and whatnot, yell "down with infidels!" or whatever, then kill every person in the vicinity? COME ON MAN WAKE THE **** UP!!!!!!!</p>
<p>"Again, just wow, more brainwashing by our media. Have u forgotten or just to stupid enough not to remember the suicide bombers that strap themselves with dynamite, walk into Israel shops and whatnot, yell "down with infidels!" or whatever, then kill every person in the vicinity? COME ON MAN WAKE THE **** UP!!!!!!!"</p>
<p>Israel is a terrorist. According to the definition Israel is a terrorist. No Im not stupid... maybe I am but I wouldnt know it if I was regardless of what you may think I am not pro ISRAEL or Pro HEZBOLLAH I am merely speaking up for those dead people who know nothing about past grudges that die. I am awake this is the reason why I don't follow what my government tells me is right or wrong I make my own judgements. Are you brainwashed? Who was it Tom Cruise, Spielberg, maybe Mel Gibson... awww that Mel at it again.</p>
<p>HELP ME TOM CRUISE!!! Sorry, I just really want to see that Ricky Bobby movie. But anyways...</p>
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<p>Remember those 3,000+ people that went to work in NY on Sept. 11th and died when the last thing they saw was a plane heading right towards them? Why dont u speak up for them??!?!?! These hezbollah/lebanese ******* want us all dead!!!</p>
<p>Mex, idk if you were being sarcastic when you said you were ignorant and what not, but it came off as you were serious. If you really do not know the facts and from what you have said you dont then ofcourser you are gonna make the assumptions you do especially being bombarded with these images. Step back read my posts and analyze the facts yourself. Let me put it this way. Hezbullah terrorists fight holding achild in front of them in order to protect themselves, israeli soldiers fight holding a child behind them to protect the child. Look at it from that perspective. Now when Israel launches an attack on the hezbullah terrorists, the terrorist throws the child forward. He does so because to terrorists its all about sympathy. Every dead arab works in favor of Hezbullah because people like you who do not know alot will blame Israel. Had the terrorist not thrown the child in front of himself, he would have gotten killed and you would have agreed with the israeli strike as being fair.</p>
<p>"If you really do not know the facts and from what you have said you dont then ofcourser you are gonna make the assumptions you do especially being bombarded with these images. Step back read my posts and analyze the facts yourself. Let me put it this way."</p>
<p>Is this a joke? C'mon now can I really expect YOU to give me an unbiased subjective view to the situation. I think we both know the answer to that one.</p>
<p>"These hezbollah/lebanese ******* want us all dead!!!" </p>
<p>Shows how narrow-minded you are is all. How can you say the Lebanese people want us dead? Did you ask them? I have many Lebanese friends and there are many here in this country that want nothing more than peace and an end to the violence but what do you want them to do leave their country? Where should they go? Israel is booting them behind a BS excuse. Bro please read up on this stuff before you comment and go on your blind Muslim-bashing tirade.</p>
<p>Hezbollah has seats in Lebanese government. Since 2000 the Lebanese government did not follow UN Sec. Council Resolution 1559 to disarm all militias within Lebanon (i.e, Hezbollah). Now they have to pay the price. Their missiles aren't HUGE. They can be carried in trucks quite easily. Most of them are under 3 meters. This is not counting all their RPGs and AKs and other munitions and explosives, not to mention their infinite supply of suicide bombers.</p>
<p>Resolution 1559 is a joke. Lebanon was told to disarm militias that are more powerful than the authorities. In other words, Lebanon is held accountable but was never empowered to carry out that obligation. And tell me, how many UN resolutions has Israel violated? It seems very hypocritical when Israel speaks of UN resolutions.</p>