<p>Apparently Israel should only follow UN resolutions that the Arabs like. Amazing. I think the UN is an evil organization, but I found it funny that people who claim that Israel's actions are contrary to UN resolutions are themselves not following the UN resolutions.</p>
<p>Really? Very interesting. Let us look at the Arab countries who defied UN resolutions shall we? Iraq and Lebanon. Both have been bombed to oblivion. Israel has defied more UN resolutions than all Arab countries put together and they have never been punished. Ignorance is bliss. Or are you just a liar?</p>
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<p>Shows how narrow-minded you are is all. How can you say the Lebanese people want us dead? Did you ask them? I have many Lebanese friends and there are many here in this country that want nothing more than peace and an end to the violence but what do you want them to do leave their country? Where should they go? Israel is booting them behind a BS excuse. Bro please read up on this stuff before you comment and go on your blind Muslim-bashing tirade.
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<p>I said this in another post, but the Lebanese president has said that he supports hezbollah and that he is glad they are in his country.</p>
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Umm, really now??? What, you thought that the Lebanese president would smile, congratulate, and offer his full approval to to the Israeli government to continue the IDF's bombing of his country's cities and towns to oblivion in addition to the relentless slaughter of his people, instead of offering his full support to the social/governmental organization that is providing medical/humanitarian needs to the citizens of Lebanon in their time of need and is the only group that is actually providing resistance against Israel's advance since the Lebanese military is too weak???:rolleyes:</p>
<p>What UN resolutions has Israel violated. Name the resolutions and then show me how they have violated them. BTW general assembly resolutions are not binding so things like Zionism = Racism. should not be part of your count.</p>
<p>Skisaloman:</p>
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Both pro-Israeli [1] and anti-Israeli sources [2] noted the number of the United Nations resolutions against the State of Israel. Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir commissioned an analysis of UN voting concerning Israel. According to results of the study [3], from 1967 to 1988 the Security Council passed 88 resolutions directly against Israel. During that span, Israel was condemned 43 times. In the General Assembly, 429 resolutions against Israel were passed, and Israel was condemned 321 times.[4]
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<p>This from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_242%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_242</a>.</p>
<p>While there is a lot of regrettable anti-Zionist and at times frankly anti-Semitic sentiment in the world, the fact that a lot of these resolutions were agreed to by basically THE ENTIRE WORLD, excepting Israel itself, (usually) the US and whichever South Pacific island nations we've been giving money to lately, really should give you some pause.</p>
<p>The real tragedy here is how the only successful modern tolerant democracy in the Middle East (with the possible exception, ironically, of Lebanon) became such a pariah. This is why Israel's actions in Leb today are such a terrible decision. While justified in principle and a success tactically, the latest reprisals are an utter catastrophe tactically. News footage of Israeli brutality and bloodshed has hurt the country far more than a few hundred obsolete unguided missiles ever could. </p>
<p>What Israel should have done is simply stand it's ground. By not retailiating tenfold they could at last persuade the West, and much of the Arab world as well, that they are not the villains in the situation. Israel's response has brough the radical Sunni Al Qaeda on the same side as the militantly Shi'ite Hezbollah for the first time ever - and if you call that a success I shudder to think of failure.</p>
<p>They just have a common enemy...nothing suggests that they're going to team up to fight 'infidels' which is exactly what the sunni's consider shi'a</p>
<p>And for some reason Al-Qaeda thinks that Hezbollah is a shield for Israel</p>
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Umm, really now??? What, you thought that the Lebanese president would smile, congratulate, and offer his full approval to to the Israeli government to continue the IDF's bombing of his country's cities and towns to oblivion in addition to the relentless slaughter of his people, instead of offering his full support to the social/governmental organization that is providing medical/humanitarian needs to the citizens of Lebanon in their time of need and is the only group that is actually providing resistance against Israel's advance since the Lebanese military is too weak???
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<p>If the president of a country supports a terrorist organization, not a "social/governmental organization" (*** ARE U TALKING ABOUT!?!?!?!), then that country and its leaders should be treated as a terrorist nation. And no, I wouldnt expect him to congratulate Israel, but I would expect him to try his best to exterminate the terrorists in his natoin, not support them.</p>
<p>Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization. You are insulting a group of people that were oppressed by a fascist regime for 18 years. Show some respect for those poor people.</p>
<p>I'm split on how good Hezbollah really is...I know that they do perform many things that the Lebanese govt should do...I know that they run the recycling campaigns and that they fund the hospitals and post offices.....but what the other sector of that organization does...just straight up shadey</p>
<p>The issue of Hez's realationship to the Leb government isn't nearly so clear cut as people think. Hez is probably most comparable to the IRA, ETA, etc - extremist militarist groups that nonetheless enjoy the support of a significant proportion of the population. The very reason that they have seats in the Leb parliament is because they won them in a fair election. If you want the whole world to hold free elections, keep in mind that very often the very groups you view as anti-democratic are perfectly capable of working fairly in a democractic system.</p>
<p>Hezbollah, Hamas, etc, also derive much of the support from providing legitamate social services. This was more true in the West Bank, where the Arafat kleptocracy almost totally impoverished the people, but there's an element of this in parts of Lebanon as well. Think of the Mafia in early 20th century America. If you were a poor Italian immigrant and didn't know how to get protection from the police (or they were unwiling to provide, out of bigotry), then you could turn to other sources to get a semblance of justice. It's the same deal here.</p>
<p>What this shows is that the world basically hates Jews. Hisorically, they are the most hated and discrimminated group of people ever. The UN throws resolutions left and right about Israel because it is essentially controlled by an enormous Muslim and African bloc. Just look at some of the resolutions the United Nations has passed against Israel- It equated Zionism with racism, although this was later repealled, After Israel destroyed Husseins nuclear reactor it was condemned by the world for years. Then in the first gulf war the world was thanking Israel, yet 2 years ago the Dominican Republic tried bringing this issue up before the Security Council to condemn Israel for bombing the reactor in 1982. Look at the UN's actions- they brought in Yasser Arafat, a complete terrorist and murderer, to speak before the United Nations, UN Peacekeepers failed at their job in Lebanon often at the urging of UN commanders and higher-up UN leaders, Israel is the only country in the UN not elligble to sit in the Security Council because the Middle East will let it join the Middle East Bloc, however Cuba, Syria, Libya, and so on can all serve on the Security Council, Libya was once the head of the Human Right Comission, the UN racism conference in Durban turned into an anti-Israel carnival with anti-semitic caricatures and literature being distributed right outside the doors of the conference and with the whole thing bing devoted to bashing Israel, UN ambulances were used in the Judea and Shomrom to transport weapons and bombs into Israel for the arabs, UN textbooks used in palestinian arab schools have maps of the middle east without Israel, UN textbooks used in palestinian arab schools have anti-semitic, anti-israeli, and historical innacuracies in them.I can go on and on about the UN. Its actions are so disgusting and immoral that Israel cannot do anything and not recieve critcism from them. If Israel announced rite now it was giving away the whole country to the Arabs it would be criticized by the UN for not coordinating the pullout with them.</p>
<p>Pyroclastic ur solution wouldnt work because the Arabs dont hate Israel for its actions, but rather for its existance. Israel cannot take such a beating and sit and wait and let itself be hit as it has done in the past. Israel has made every effort for peace on every front. Last summer it left every inch of Gaza and it was still criticized for not doing it within the framework of the roadmap for peace or for not coordinating its move. Whatever Israel does it will be criticized by the world, but if Israel defends itself at least it wont be criticized by its own people, the Jews.</p>
<p>Alexandre, I do not understand you. In 1982 the Lebanese were very thankful to the Israelis for getting rid of the PLO. The only reason they stayed was because of the PFLP and the emergence of Hezzbullah and they stayed in a tiny corridor in south lebanon rarely ever touching lebanese north of that. Even so Hezbullah developed in Judea and Shomrom, which are not lebanon. The aim for and kill civillians. Thats not terrorism? So what is. Hezbullah and Hamas do nto actually provide legitmate services. To get these services you have to do something in return. They are just as corrupt as Arafat was except since they werent in power no one cared as much. However now that they are in power they are killing everyone who disagrees with them (I am tlaking about Hamas in gaza now) Instad of building a country out of Gaza theyre just building more terror bases. Also most Lebanese do not support Hezbullah thats just a plain fact.</p>
<p>skisaloman89: Most of the resolutions I'm talking about have drawn the support of basically the entire world. A few were passed after the US abstained - that we didn't exercise our veto power means we gave our tacit approval. Do you really think that the ENTIRE WORLD "hates jews?" Or maybe, just maybe, the critics of Israel have a point. And I brought the issue up after you asked for evidence of the Security Council condemning Israel. Calling the whole organization, which has probably done more to prevent disease, preserve cultural treasures and promote peace than any other NGO, "so disgusting and immoral" for taking actions supported by almost the entire human race seems a trifle harsh. </p>
<p>You may well be right about the Arab world hating Israel for its very existence. But what, realistically, do you want to do about it? Should Israel and its foes continue to trade eye for eye, in a bloody stalemate, forever? If Israel stopped retailiating tenfold, then the world's televisions would no longer be full of images of ten dead Arab children for every Israeli child. Israel would get the very thing it needs most - sympathy. Arab leaders would no longer be able to use Israel as a scapegoat for their own countrymen's woes. It certainly wouldn't eliminate anti-Semitism, but it would at least stop fanning the flames of that disease, and in time they would simmer down to embers and begin to cool.</p>
<p>From Wikipedia:</p>
<p>"The King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a terrorist attack against the British government of Palestine by members of Irgun a militant Zionist organization.</p>
<p>The Irgun, dressed as Arabs, exploded a bomb at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). 91 people were killed, most of them civilians: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured.</p>
<p>The attack was initially ordered by Menachem Begin, the head of the Irgun, who would later become Israeli Prime Minister. The attack was commanded by Yosef Avni and Yisrael Levi."</p>
<p>Would you look at that, the first terrorist bombing in the Middle East was ordered by Menachem Begin, who would become the Israeli Prime Minister.</p>
<p>Israel started as a terrorist state, and still is, but dont get me wrong, groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are too.</p>
<p>"Hezbullah and Hamas do nto actually provide legitmate services. To get these services you have to do something in return"</p>
<p>WHAT???</p>
<p>This is from Wiki:</p>
<p>"Hezbollah not only has armed and political wings but also organizes an extensive social development programme. This civilian wing runs hospitals, news services, and educational facilities. Its Reconstruction Campaign ('Jihad al-Bina') is responsible for numerous economic and infrastructure development projects in Lebanon.[16][17] The group currently operates at least four hospitals, 12 clinics, 12 schools, and two agricultural centres that provide farmers with technical assistance and training. It also has an environmental department and an extensive social assistance programme. Medical care provided through Hezbollah is also less expensive than in most of the country's private hospitals and free for Hezbollah members."</p>
<p>Oh this is even more interesting: also from wiki</p>
<p>"According to a poll released by the "Beirut Center for Research and Information" on 26 July during 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, 87 percent of Lebanese support Hezbollah's fight with Israel, a rise of 29 percent on a similar poll conducted in February. More striking, however, is the level of support for Hezbollah's resistance from non-Shiite communities. Eighty percent of Christians polled supported Hezbollah along with 80 percent of Druze and 89 percent of Sunnis.[20], while according to another poll, from July 2005, 74 percent of Christian Lebanese viewed Hezbollah as a resistance organization.[21] The Lebanese government confirmed it as a legitimate resistance against occupation.[22][23] 7"</p>
<p>As you can see, this conflict has given massive support to Hezbollah, all because of Israel.</p>
<p>That isnt true though. Look During the 2nd Intifdah palestinan arabs would kill their own and blame it on israel. You dont understand if Israel stops responding it will cease to exist. They are fighting for their indpendance. Israel has done so much for peace and in return it has gotten back so little. I think most of the world does hate jews. Just look at the resolutions. Read them. Especially the general assembly ones. They are so ridiculous and outrageous. I asked you t oshow me a securtiy council reslution which israel did not abide by not just an anti-israeli resolution. Let me tell you something about the UN. In 2000 the Hezbulla terrorist came into Israel, Kidnapped 2 soldiers in a UN vehicle. The UN peacekeepers were not far from the scene and they observed the whole thing. In fact they even videotapped. Then they got rid of the evidence like the car and some of the terrorists and soldiers belongings. They turned the tape over to the UN politicians and that was the end of that. Meanwhile, there were two israeli soldiers missing. Soon it leaked out that the UN possessed a video tape of the kidnapping. Israel asked to see the tapes. A reasonable request right? Kofi Annan and the UN denied these tapes existed. This went on for months until finally the UN admitted their existance, but they refused to hand the tapes over because it violates the UN's neutrality. So here we have Israel entrusting their security to the UN. Had Israeli soldiers been monitoring this scene they would have immediately stopped the kidnapping and thus saved two innocent lives. But tha wasnt the case because the UN was in charge. So after alot of pressure from the US (a vote of 400 and some to 4 in congress) and israel Kofi released the tapes. Yet there was one more problem. The UN had edited the tapes to make sure that the Israelis could not identify the terrorists and counld not really identify what happened and in what direction things went. Also they weere allowed to view the tape 3 times, and in Switzerland. And now I ask you. What can Israel expect from the UN after that. Here is another example. In the 1970's the UN general assembly pssed a resolution equation Zionism, the movement of Jews to live in Israel, to Racism, the hatred of one group of people against another bc of race. Eventually this was repealled in the 90's, but for 20 yrs this resolution stood untouched. This I think was very ironic because Israel once sent a plane into africa and airlifted thousands of black jews into freedom. So what does Israel hink about the UN after somehing like that.</p>
<p>I dont think thats true. The Lebanese may not like Israel, but they dont like Hezbulla either. Thats just a fact. Israel and Christian Arabs by the way fought side by side in the 80's to push the PLO out and they were very gratefuul to israel for that.</p>
<p>You understand Wiki is written by people just like you and me. Look these social services all have a propogandist goal. Why dont you look at the brochure for a Hezbullah or Hamas summer camp for kids. Youll see pictures of smiling Arab kids no more than 15 yrs old dressed up in hezbullah uniform holdin guns and bombs and u will see pictures of kids training for terrorist missions too. Cmon get real.</p>
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<p>This is so true. Im sure most people dont know this, but everything thats going on in the Mid East, including all this terrorist junk, originated during the Biblical times.</p>
<p>How exactly would you measure how much Jews have been discriminated against another group of people?</p>
<p>The world does not hate Jews, however, having that us against the world mentality can be helpful in certain situations so I'm not gonna get on your asses for it.</p>