Its about time: Cracking down on cheating in China

[jym626]

Oh for the love of pete, no need to engage in strawman arguments, cobrat. If this level of cheating for admission to US colleges wasn’t rampant, there would be no need for these new services that are starting to pop up to curtail it. Where exactly in the quote you quoted do you see the word “all”? No one is required to use any qualifiers.

[jym626]

GMT+7 You forgot about all the sheetrock manufactured in china that had to be trashed and caused problems in home construction in the US.

[jym626]

Build a wall with the defective sheetrock

[8bagels]

lol

[GMTplus7]

Build a wall with the defective sheetrock

What’s Mandarin for Maginot Line?

[sorghum]

Americans have such a low baseline of academic achievement/intellectualism that the Chinese want to take advantage of it and have to cheat to do so.

Be fun to see you prepare to take an SAT type test - in Chinese.

[Pizzagirl]

Does that justify cheating, sorghum?

[intparent]

If I wanted to go to school in China, I would expect to take a standardized test in Chinese. And I wouldn’t cheat.

[jym626]

They should take it in English to demonstrate proficiency.

[jym626]

Cross posted with intparent.

[Pizzagirl]

"Well, I can’t stand guns or Chinese cheating!

So are you saying all Chinese cheat?"

No. In English, when one wishes to say “all Chinese cheat” one words it as such -“all Chinese cheat.” The poster said she couldn’t stand guns nor could she stand those Chinese who cheat. She neither said nor implied all. Hope this lesson was helpful. You’re welcome!

[Gator88NE]

Corruption is one of China’s greatest problems. It impacts everything from the air they breath, to the schools they attend.

I read this article a few days ago, it’s an interesting look at one US teacher’s experience at an elite high school in China.

In China, cheating is a serious issue, and extreme measures are taken to prevent it. During the notorious gaokao, the all-important Chinese college entrance exam, our students had to pass through metal detectors that scanned for miniature transmission devices. A hulking yellow truck sat parked in the center of campus, bristling with antennas to detect and jam wireless communication. Test takers were sequestered in tape-sealed rooms all day, with police cordons at the campus gates to keep throngs of anxious parents out.

Because the gaokao score is what matters to Chinese colleges, grade-point average seemed a secondary concern to students and parents. Oral participation in the classroom and critical thinking were often lost in the test’s looming shadow.

One day, after dealing with rampant cheating and plagiarism, I felt it was time to have a serious talk with my students. I even had the lecture translated into Mandarin to avoid any claims of mistranslations from my English-proficient students. The lesson was obvious, I thought: If you wrote down an answer that you didn’t think up, and you wrote three or more words of it in a row, you must cite the source. Otherwise it’s stealing. Your work must be created by you. Just moments later, I noticed a girl gawking at another’s brazen attempt to grab a classmate’s work (which I’d just checked) and present it as her own. Clearly, my lecture was not hitting home.

I needed some backup. During a break, I explained to their head teacher what had happened. She dutifully explained to the guilty girls, as well as to the entire class, how this English class was different. “When Mr. Metz is here, this is an American classroom. I told you, cheating is not allowed in the American class.”

I began to understand an underlying difference in educational philosophy. China focuses on the end result; America cares about the process of getting there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/education/edlife/teaching-the-common-core-in-china.html?_r=0

[gettingschooled]

Why don’t our schools use the results of the gaokao instead of the SAT/ACT? I am sure there is a good reason but it seems more cheat proof than the current system?

[jym626]

Our schools, our rules.

[epiphany]

The failsafe preventive measure is to develop different tests for different time zones, but they haven’t done that. Worse, the CB reuses past tests for SAT administrations in China.

Yes. The CB has enabled their end of the cheating realm. It’s been a scandal that in the 11 years I’ve been on CC, there have had to be giant warnings in the test prep forum – warnings that exist only because of lazy CB (and the laziness of the colleges who haven’t explored an alternate admissions test format). The recirculating of the tests presents similar problems in the U.S., too.

[epiphany]

I began to understand an underlying difference in educational philosophy. China focuses on the end result; America cares about the process of getting there.

The person in the article was just discovering this?

[CTTC]

@intparent

Since they re-use tests, and there are idiots who post every question online for discussion as soon as they leave the testing room, that doesn’t cut it.

Isn’t the March SAT the first administration of the new version? The first international version afterwards is going to have to be the March US administration version. Cheaters ahoy! (Hope CC doesn’t enable cheating by the internationals on the SAT forum!)

[jym626]

Even with the first administration of a new test, cheaters will find a way to cheat.

[GMTplus7]

The CB has enabled their end of the cheating realm. It’s been a scandal that in the 11 years I’ve been on CC, there have had to be giant warnings in the test prep forum – warnings that exist only because of lazy CB

The CB is clearly capable of administering the same test worldwide, as they just did w the new, revamped PSAT.

[epiphany]

And when the administer the same test worldwide, there will be cheating.
I don’t understand what you’re saying here, or maybe I wasn’t clear earlier what I meant.