<p>are the ivies good for electrical engg ? i'm an international student , need-based aid necessary , so i'm gonna consider the ivies since they provide aid.im not so damn much into mathn science , so not mit .and i cant even consider the public universities, cant pay much(i'm assuming that they wont give aid) ..i'm also gonna include mcgill in my list along with yale , brown , princeton n harvard..would it be better to apply for ed to yale , brown or princeton?
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<p>If you are not into math and science, why would you even consider electrical engineering? You should re-think your goal.</p>
<p>Among the Ivies, Cornell, Princeton, Columbia, and Penn are best for engineering. Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, and Brown are weaker in engineering.</p>
<p>There are lots of other electrical engineering programs at private universities. They all require intensive math and science.</p>
<p>EE is ALL about math and science. If you don't like that, you better reconsider EE.</p>
<p>i meant...i;m not so much into math n science that i would consider mit..otherwise i really like math n sc ...i.e. i dont think i'm mit material</p>
<p>If you think your math & science skills are not good enough for MIT, you will have problem catching up with the average engineering students at Cornell or Princeton too.</p>
<p>Harvard engineering students are also pretty darn good. True, the Harvard engineering department is not as prominent as, say, MIT's, but the students are very good. In fact, I would argue that on a raw talent standpoint, Harvard engineering students are probably BETTER than Cornell engineering students.</p>
<p>well sakky ,for ur information, you would be shocked, i have met some truly brilliant engineers, some of who have turned down places like MIT and cal tech to come here (Cornell). I know someone who turned down Stanford as well.</p>
<p>Don't underestimate the talent anywhere.</p>
<p>It is possible that Harvard engineering students are higher than Cornell's in average SATs or HS gpa. I don't have the Harvard stats. I know that Cornell engineering students average about 30-40 points below Caltech on the SATs. Caltech has the highest SATs in the country. I can say with certainty that even the smartest Cornell engineering students are challenged by the amount and difficulty of the work.</p>
<p>But, I don't think the engineering PROGRAM at Harvard is better. Harvard offers an "engineering science" degree that might be useful if you plan to go to grad school in engineering or some other field such as patent law or medicine. And, Harvard only had 24 engineering science grads compared with 632 graduates from the school of engineering at Cornell. There are differences in curriculum, faculty, and laboratory resources and opportunities. There are many reasons for choosing Cornell engineering over Harvard.</p>
<p>Interestingly, several of the eng faculty at Cornell have Harvard Bach or PhD degrees. </p>
<p>Columbia had the next highest number of engineering graduates with 251, followed closely by Penn with 241. </p>
<p>Princeton has a very highly respected engineering program and had 177 grads.</p>
<p>Dartmouth (63 grads) offers a degree in general engineering. Brown (73 grads) offers a degree in general engineering and biomed eng. Yale offers degrees in specific engineering disciplines but has very few grads (48).</p>
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<p>Ah.. This is not something I can be sure of.. Perhaps when we really take the average, Harvard engineering students may be slightly better than Cornell engineering students. But, with some reasonable bias, I would say a huge number of good Cornell engineering students will be much better than good Harvard engineering students.</p>
<p>well...i cant really consider cornell,since it is not need-blind in its admission process..i'm considering yale, brown ,princeton, columbia , harvard ...
and i hope we all are taking into account the undergrad studies..
i dont know which univ to apply for ed</p>
<p>and yes , i'd like to add,after my undergrad studies, i'm planning to do my masters degree from some univ like stanford or mit...n then probably i'll be doing mba</p>
<p>Harvard has no electrical engineering. So if you are sure you want to major in EE, you have to look elsewhere.</p>
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<p>Wrong:</p>
<p>Harvard offers a major in Engineering Sciences and students can concentrate in electrical, biomed, etc. They call electrical a "field" within Engineering Sciences. A full-fledged "major" would have to meet certain criteria and go through an approval process with the state education department. </p>
<p>I think Harvard lists about 15 different courses in their catalog related to electrical engineering and they are not all taught every academic year. By comparison, Cornell actually teaches about 50 different EE courses every semester, over 130 different courses total.</p>
<p>Cooldude, I am not sure whether Cornell is need-blind in admissions but I know first-hand that they accept many students from lower and middle incomes and provide generous financial aid.</p>
<p>My mistake. I know that they have a limited engineering curriculum but they do have a EECS concentration under Engineering Science. The courses offered are a bit limited but all the fundamentals are there. Should have looked it up instead of relying on memory.</p>
<p>Out of the ivies, Cornell engineering is among the best.</p>
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well sakky ,for ur information, you would be shocked, i have met some truly brilliant engineers, some of who have turned down places like MIT and cal tech to come here (Cornell). I know someone who turned down Stanford as well.</p>
<p>Don't underestimate the talent anywhere.
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<p>For your information, I likewise know some guys who got admitted to Cornell engineering who instead went to UMass and UConn (to save money). That doesn't take away from the fact that Cornell engineers are better than UMass and UConn engineers on average. </p>
<p>I'm not underestimating the talent anywhere. I am merely stating what I believe to be a fact - the average Cornell engineer is probably not as naturally intelligent as the average Harvard engineer. </p>
<p>Now, whether the engineering PROGRAM at Cornell better than Harvard or not is a different story.</p>
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<p>Ehhhh, it really depends on what you mean by intelligent I suppose?</p>
<p>Intelligence as it is defined by college adcoms - test scores, high school grades, victories in academic competitions, etc.</p>
<p>The fact is, it's harder to get into Harvard than to get into Cornell engineering. And the majority of people (not all, but the majority) who get into both will choose Harvard. I say this not to single out Cornell, because Harvard wins the cross-admit battle with every school, even MIT (the majority of people who get into both Harvard and MIT will choose Harvard). It's simply a testament to the fact that, whether we like it or not, Harvard has magnetic drawing power and therefore tends to draw the best students.</p>
<p>Most people interested in engineering might reasonably apply to Cornell, but not apply to Harvard. Because Harvard is not thought to have significant presence, faculty, breadth of coverage, or courses in the field. This is certainly my impression as well. Maybe they have some horsepower in some specific non-comprehensive areas of graduate research, and that gets them up to where they are in these rankings. Research I said, not engineering practice. </p>
<p>But generally I'd suspect Harvard loses the engineering applicant battle before the applications are even submitted. If someone's extra-sharp and wants to be an engineer they are far more likely to apply to MIT or Stanford, I would imagine. Because, well, these schools actually HAVE engineering, in a meaningful way. And it's probably true that Cornell Engineering loses a lot of these cross-admit battles. But a lot of these people might not necessarily apply to Harvard because it does not really have what they are looking for, in sufficient amounts.</p>
<p>I don't have time to go look up the number of upperclass electives offered specifically in the engineering department, by engineering faculty, at each of these schools. But 24 grads vs 600+ gives me a notion. If you are a junior at Harvard, and find you're interest is gravitating towards a particular specific area of engineering, I would guess it is quite likely they don't have it.</p>
<p>The two Harvard engineering grads I know do not necessarily blow the doors of the IQ meter, leading me to wonder if this major is an intellectual dumping-ground there, relatively speaking. But it wouldn't be fair to draw blanket conclusions from a sample of two.</p>
<p>It is indeed harder to get into Harvard, but not everyone makes it because they are brilliant. Some people are just maybe pretty good, not great, but play the right sport, or are related to the right people. These individuals have to study and get through there someplace/ somehow, now don't they?</p>
<p>Just because a place on average draws the best students does not necessarily mean that every student there is better than every student someplace else. And it makes sense to me that there would be specific pockets where the weaker students could hide. And I know those two guys, and I can easily compare them to lots of other Harvard grads I know. And I believe that nobody goes there for their great engineering department. But still, it's just two..</p>