<p>How come most MIT Engineering graduate end up working for Ivy Engineering graduates ?</p>
<p>Why can't MIT graduates build up firms like Microsoft, Amazon, Google etc ?</p>
<p>Because lots of MIT-trained engineers are more interested in actual engineering work than running businesses? Not that they can't do things like starting major companies - several have - but many just aren't interested.</p>
<p>Why can't you build up firms like Microsoft, Amazon, Google, etc?</p>
<p>Probably because its not what you know but who you know. I have a feeling that the MIT students lack networking opportunities and are bred to DO. If one is to generalize Ivy kids have mommy and daddy and their friends behind them for years and years to make their money work. Perhaps they see business in a different way. Could that be why MIT is looking for students who can build up firms like Microsoft, Amazon and Google. The answer has more to do with the families behind the students judging from my experience on parents weekend!</p>
<p>Hmm, I feel like we've seen this argument before.</p>
<p>I would really enjoy it if, after being banned, trolls coming back with new names would also come back with new arguments. Maybe it's just me.</p>
<p>MIT is well known for its entrepreneurship, and a 1997 study entitled MIT: The Impact of Innovation by the BankBoston Economics Department quantified that entrepreneurial spirit:</p>
<pre><code>* If MIT graduates formed their own country, it would have the 24th-largest economy in the world.
* MIT graduates have formed over 4,000 companies, and that number increases by about 150 each year.
* Over 1.1 million people owe their jobs to a company founded by an MIT grad.
* MIT companies make over $232 billion dollars each year.
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<p>Some of the 4,000+ companies founded by MIT alumni:</p>
<pre><code>* McDonnell Douglas
* Campbell Soup
* 3COM
* Bose
* Analog Devices
* MathWorks
* Gillette
* Texas Instruments
* Akamai
* International Data Group (IDG)
* Teradyne
* Raytheon
* Genentech
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<p>why would you present microsoft as an example of the value of ivy engineering? microsoft software is and has always been craptacular. if microsoft embodies ivy engineering, then i don't want that. i'd like to develop quality technology, not be a big, stupid tool - a marketer masquerading as an engineer.</p>
<p>they do some cool, legit stuff in r&d, though. too bad none of their good ideas ever makes it down the pipeline.</p>
<p>Bill Gates dropped out of school, he never even graduated from college. I don't see how that can be used as an example.</p>
<p>MIT is one of the places where students are chosen for genius. I wish companies would see MIT students as team work people rather than freaky non conforming scientists. MIT is doing a good job addressing that so that kids get great jobs. I for one couldnt get into MIT. Several of my friends were rejected and now our siblings are applying.</p>
<p>Ivy engineering grad sees a new technology and thinks, "Wow, that looks really profitable. Lets turn it into a product."</p>
<p>MIT engineering grad sees a new technology and thinks, "Wow, that's really cool. I wonder what else we can do with it..."</p>
<p>So if you were more interested in business, it would be better to go the ivy engineering route?</p>
<p>Ivy engineering grad sees a new technology and thinks, "Wow, that looks really profitable. Lets turn it into a product."</p>
<h2>MIT engineering grad sees a new technology and thinks, "Wow, that's really cool. I wonder what else we can do with it..."</h2>
<p>That's funny, because Harvard Business School people mass email the MIT undergrads asking for ideas for technology.</p>
<p>Anyway, I disagree...founding a start-up was one of the things a lot of the undergrads talked about. Maybe CalTech is more interested in learning for learning's sake.</p>
<p>In terms of grad schools, MIT is better than Harvard at producing profitable technology.</p>
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<p>As stated above, I fail to see what Microsoft has to do with "Ivy engineering". The 2 founders are dropouts from Harvard and Washington State. </p>
<p>As far as Google is concerned, the 2 founders are graduates of Stanford, Maryland, and Michigan. None of these places are Ivy. CEO Eric Schmidt is an Ivy eng grad, but he is widely viewed as a cipher - the real power is still in the hands of the founders.</p>
<p>Besides, I could point to other firms founded by MIT eng grads as opposed to Ivy eng grads. William Hewlett of Hewlett Packard fame is an MIT engineer. Qualcomm (inventor of CDMA) was founded by Andrew Viterbi and Irwin Jacobs, both MIT engineers. Numerous other examples exist.</p>
<p>William Hewlett got both undergrad and graduate degree from Stanford, an Ivy type engineering school. Irwin Jacobs got his undergraduate degree from Cornell Engineering. Microsoft CEO, Steven Ballmer graduated from Harvard Division of Engineering and Applied Sciences.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/bios/hewlett.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/bios/hewlett.html</a>
Hewlett got his masters in EE from MIT. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.qualcomm.com/press/exec_bios/irwin_jacobs.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.qualcomm.com/press/exec_bios/irwin_jacobs.html</a>
Jacobs got MS, PhD from MIT, was faculty there for a while.</p>
<p>It appears you ignore information like this frequently. Therefore, I recommend to everyone that we no longer bother with this person's threads. I'm not going to be bothering with them anymore.</p>
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Microsoft CEO, Steven Ballmer graduated from Harvard Division of Engineering and Applied Sciences
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<p>Yeah, with a degree in applied math - hence his degree, properly speaking, came from the 'Applied Sciences' part of DEAS. Upshot, Ballmer doesn't have an engineering degree. If he did, he would show up in the alumni database as having a Bachelor's of Science degree, not a Bachelor's of Arts degree.</p>
<p>you'd be idiotic to pick Ivy engineering over MIT engineering because Ivy league engineers supposedly have bigger firms. the reason that would be would only be attributable to the person, not the ivy league education. MIT engineering is top class, while ivy-league engineering ranges from good to so-so.</p>