<p>How would you rank the Ivies in engineering?</p>
<p>depends upon what kind of engineering, but in general....</p>
<p>Cornell (by far)</p>
<p>Princeton</p>
<p>Penn, Dartmouth, Columbia</p>
<p>Harvard, Brown, Yale</p>
<p>cornell and princeton are ranked closely to each other according to US news World Report (it was 10 and 12 one of two years ago)
columbia was in the twenties
Penn and harvard are both around 30</p>
<p>Dartmouth, brown, yale are 40s and 50s </p>
<p>ppl will say us news rankings are bad or w/e
but in case u want to say that, the op asked for a ranking.
so there u go.</p>
<p>Penn Engineering is carving out a niche for itself in the fields of bioengineering and nanotechnology. Tens of millions of dollars--both private and government--being poured into those areas, brand new buildings either just built or to be built, major faculty recruitment, high national rankings, etc.</p>
<p>for real?</p>
<p>Penn is trying to excel in nanotech?</p>
<p>do u mind giving the link of it on its website? i couldn't find it!</p>
<p>Cornell
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Yale
Harvard</p>
<p>Cornell's nanotech program is superb and innovative; I don't think Penn is yet anywhere near it and agree with collegehelp's overall rankings.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnf.cornell.edu/%5B/url%5D">http://www.cnf.cornell.edu/</a></p>
<p>Probably true about Cornell nanotech in general, but Penn was recently ranked among the top 5 nanotech programs in the country by Small Times magazine, the leading nanotech industry journal:</p>
<p>and in certain specific nanotech areas, Penn was ranked above Cornell, i.e., Penn was ranked #1 in nanotechnology research and #5 in nanotech education:</p>
<p>As I said previously, Penn is building up its nanotech program in a MAJOR way. Here's one example:</p>
<p>Here's another (also discusses bioengineering, which of course goes hand-in-hand with nanotech):</p>
<p>And here's yet another example:</p>
<p>The focus on nanotechnology really runs throughout SEAS (School of Engineering and Applied Science). Check out all of the academic departments and you'll see what I mean:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.seas.upenn.edu/depts/%5B/url%5D">http://www.seas.upenn.edu/depts/</a></p>
<p>Also, check out the various institutes and centers:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.seas.upenn.edu/grad/iic.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.seas.upenn.edu/grad/iic.html</a></p>
<p>If you have more specific questions about SEAS and nanotech, you should post them in the Penn forum, where current Penn SEAS students and recent SEAS alumni may be able to answer them. Of course, you should also contact the school directly.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info on Penn..it looks like it is putting some well-placed emphasis on an area that is certain to be important for the next several decades.</p>
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Cornell (by far)</p>
<p>Princeton</p>
<p>Penn, Dartmouth, Columbia</p>
<p>Harvard, Brown, Yale
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Cornell
Princeton
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Yale
Harvard
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<p>I've personally never understood the anti-Harvard engineering bias that seems to exist on this discussion board. Surely, nobody is saying that Harvard engineering is equivalent to MIT's or Stanford's. But at the same time, it is FAR from the worst in the Ivy League. It's better than Yale. It's better than Dartmouth. It's better than Brown. Hence, we should at least give Harvard engineering that much credit</p>
<p>USNEWS 2008 Engineering Ranking</p>
<p>Best Undergraduate Engineering Programs (highest degree is a doctorate)</p>
<ol>
<li>Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 4.9</li>
<li>Stanford University (CA) 4.7</li>
<li>University of California–Berkeley * 4.7</li>
<li>California Institute of Technology 4.6</li>
<li>Georgia Institute of Technology * 4.5</li>
<li>U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign * 4.5</li>
<li>Cornell University (NY) 4.4</li>
<li>University of Michigan–Ann Arbor * 4.4</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 4.2</li>
<li>Purdue Univ.–West Lafayette (IN)* 4.2</li>
<li>University of Texas–Austin * 4.2</li>
<li>Princeton University (NJ) 4.1</li>
<li>Univ. of Wisconsin–Madison * 4.0</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins University (MD) 3.9</li>
<li>Northwestern University (IL) 3.9</li>
<li>Virginia Tech * 3.9</li>
<li>Pennsylvania State U.–University Park * 3.8</li>
<li>Rice University (TX) 3.8</li>
<li>Texas A&M Univ.–College Station * 3.8</li>
<li>Columbia University (NY) 3.7</li>
<li>Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst. (NY) 3.7</li>
<li>Univ. of California–Los Angeles * 3.7</li>
<li>Univ. of Minnesota–Twin Cities * 3.7</li>
<li>University of Washington * 3.7</li>
<li>Duke University (NC) 3.6</li>
<li>Ohio State University–Columbus * 3.6</li>
<li>Univ. of California–San Diego * 3.6</li>
</ol>
<p>It really would depend on what you wanted to engineer, and to what end.</p>
<p>Penn is indeed strong in biotech (makes sense what with Penn Med literally around the corner). But in other departments, it's a different story. The last impressive thing that Penn did in computer science was ENIAC.</p>
<p>Just keep in mind that if someone currently is an applicant for an engineering program, then what the program currently offers its undergraduates is the important factor -- not what the program will be in 10 years.</p>
<p>Dartmouth and Harvard only offer general engineering, no specialties.
Yale offers specialties in small numbers but their engineering faculty is mostly drawn from other disciplines, as I recall.
Brown is mostly general engineering but with a small strength in biomed.
Cornell's program is nearly twice as large as the next largest Ivy engineering program, but it is not strong in bio/biomed engineering.
Penn and Columbia are strong in biomed.</p>
<p>FWIW, the number of engineering bachelors last year at:
Cornell University 628
Columbia University in the City of New York 318
Penn 238
Princeton University 182
Brown University 63
Dartmouth College 56
Yale University 37
Harvard University 25</p>
<p>Harvard and Brown both offer ABET degrees in engineering specialties.</p>
<p>Sorry to hijack, but would this be the same general info for computer science (programming more than engineering)? S2 is totally confused and torn. Brown had a great weekend event there to "sell" their CS dept. He also liked Penn, but this is all based on people he spoke with while there. S1 is at P (so therefore not at the top of S1's list as he's followed him throughout school) but we can't get a good grasp of their CS program or many of the other ivies. We keep hearing they're all good. He has the necessary stats to have a decent chance at any of the schools, so we will let him apply to those he likes (as well as safeties).Thanks!</p>
<p>According to USNWR, for graduate computer science:</p>
<p>Cornell
Princeton
Harvard
Columbia, Penn, Yale
Brown
Dartmouth</p>
<p>For graduate computer engineering, Ivies rank: </p>
<p>Princeton
Cornell
Columbia
Harvard
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
(Yale unranked in top 68.)</p>
<p>I would say Penn not particularly strong. Cornell and Princeton still only two Ivies in top 10 in these disciplines, and recognize these are the graduate school rankings.</p>
<p>Well at least we beat brown</p>
<p>afan-
All of Harvard's engineering grads seem to get their degrees in general engineering "engineering science", not in any specialties.</p>
<p>It's ironic that both Penn and Dartmouth were MAJOR computer science pioneers in earlier times. Penn is where the first all-purpose electronic digital computer (ENIAC) was developed in 1946, and Dartmouth was THE leading pioneer in the full-scale integration of computer use into the everyday lives of undergraduates--and by extension everyone else--in the 1970s under President John Kemeny (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_George_Kemeny%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_George_Kemeny</a> ).</p>
<p>Oh well, things change--and will continue to do so.</p>