<p>Hey yall, im just posting my stats up once again to give some background info. There in a previous thread, but yeah, for some new readers?</p>
<p>I've been thinking maybe giving a shot to some ivy leagues schools, because i've been talking to quite a few people and they've told me that they can accept anyone. It's not all about grades. Someone I know was accepted with a 3.7 college gpa and a 3.4 high school GPA at Harvard, but denied by NYU. So anything can go.</p>
<p>Race: Middle-Eastern</p>
<p>College GPA: 4.0/4.0
Hours after 1st year: 33-36
First semester: 18 hours
Second semester: 15-18?</p>
<p>High School GPA: 3.215/4.0
SAT: Math=520, Reading=500, Writing=540
Rank: 213/623
No SAT 2 Subject tests</p>
<p>Extra-Curriculars:
JV basketball, track, cross-country
Manager of a store
Head counselor for a camp in '05 and '06
Manager of computer resources for an organization
MSA member
DECA member
volunteer at a library
VP of a youth club</p>
<p>Do I have any shot at any ivy league school? Or is it totally pointless to apply? Other choices are NYU, UNC, USC, John Hopkins. Some of yall might have read my previous thread, but I still need suggestions yall! Thanks!</p>
<p>Undecided on my major, but planning to do business, computer science, international/area studies or sociology. Yeah, they are all totally different majors, lol.</p>
<p>If your applying in your freshmen year, colleges will look closely at your HS credits. Your hs grades are very low. Also, your SAT's are not even in the ballpark. I would take the SAT I in January and study up for it. You will need to be over 2300 in your case with the low hs grades. By scoring high on the SAT coupled with your high college gpa tells a good story.
Even the other schools you mentioned will be a reach with the low SAT score.</p>
<p>I agree. Unless you have some incredibly unique hook (like saved an African village) those test scores will get you rejected in round 1, even at UNC.</p>
<p>Retake and maybe consider the ACT. Take some subject tests as well. Give it a shot with your new stats and if you're rejected (which is likely since you've only got one year of college) give it another try next year.</p>
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A 4.0 is a 4.0 no matter if it was taken at a CC or Northwestern
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<p>I have evidence that it is not.</p>
<p>Consider Washington University in St. Louis. On their admissions website, it says that the most competitive applicants have at least a B from a 4-year university or at least a B+ from a 2-year college. </p>
<p>This implies a difference in their value. All colleges may not view GPAs as WUSTL, but it is likely that admissions officers distinguish between the difficulty of attaining a high GPA at Northwestern and attaining a high GPA at a community college. However, I don't think the comparison is quite as drastic as Mishra made it to be. </p>
<p>I would guess that a 4.0 from a community college having taken the most difficult courses offered would be on par with a 3.75 from a competitive university - but that is just opinion.</p>
<p>Currently I am a freshman at the University of Houston-Main Campus.</p>
<p>Courses took/taking:</p>
<p>Art history
History 2
Sociology
Physical geology
Ethics
English 1
Govt 1
English 2
Microeconomics
Philosophy: Intro to the mind
Calculus 1
Govt 2
History 1</p>
<p>I didnt take any specific institution's name. When i said "great" I probably meant the really great ones. I just wanted to point out the fact that they are different.</p>
<p>It's troublesome comparing GPAs from community colleges to universities. Consider for a moment, if it is true, that a 3.65 or a 3.75 from a top university is harder to attain than a 4.0. This almost implies that any CC student, no matter how great they are, will never be up to par with any top performing student at a university.</p>
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Consider for a moment, if it is true, that a 3.65 or a 3.75 from a top university is harder to attain than a 4.0. This almost implies that any CC student, no matter how great they are, will never be up to par with any top performing student at a university.
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<p>That assumes that "GPA" corresponds with "up-to-par-ness."</p>
<p>here's my two cents on the whole CC concept. I find that there is a presumption that a 4.0 isn't s**t coming from a CC. I am of the belief that achieveing a 4.0 or any solid GPA at a CC is just as difficult as achieving a solid GPA at a real university or even harder. i say under this concept: if you were to strike a board as hard as you can, it would break easily; if you were to expect the board to break easily and strike it half heartedly then it probably wouldn't break. the same concept goes for school: expect it to be easy and it will be hard; expect it to be hard and it probably won't be. also, the environment of a CC is not an easy one to achieve greatness. for those of you who have never set foot on a CC campus, you can't really say much. likewise, those who have gone to only a CC thus far can't really defend yourselves against the nay-sayers much either. but I have done both and in my comparison it is much easier to achieve good grades at a university where the whole campus is striving for academic excellence. at a CC you get a majority of people who have accepted mediocity and it is VERY difficult to find people to study with or even stay motivated. but i'm sure those of you who are at a 4-year university are adamant that it is harder because it is in human nature to elevate ourselves by putting down others and it is wrong. </p>
<p>i will add one disclaimer though. at most universities, the courses seem to be more routinely 4 unit courses. at a CC they are typically 3 unit classes. so if you're at a CC you should take more classes per semester than the average student at a 4-year institution. </p>
<p>so for all you CC guys/girls out there... Don't let the haters get you down! just remember that hating is what hater's do. keep your head up and apply just to spite the haters!</p>
<p>there is one HUGE problem in trying to convert a 4.0 at a CC to a 3.75 at Northwestern. Think about this logically, at most schools, can you physically get higher than a 4.0? No. Therefore it is entirely unfair to downgrade an applicants 4.0, when thats is the absolute highest thing they could achieve. That would be like saying all CC students are working towards that big A-, theres no As here, the highest you can get is 3.75. Those are rediculous statements. I do AGREE however that a 4.0 at Northwestern is definitely better than a 4.0 at a CC but that in no way should mean that the CC applicant really has an unofficial 3.75. Thats just stupid.</p>
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A 4.0 is a 4.0 no matter if it was taken at a CC or Northwestern.
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<p>now that's just outright stupid. let's take high schools. a 4.0 at Andover is much better than a 4.0 at some no name public school in alabama. what makes you think college is any different?</p>
<p>undergrad A: i have a 4.0 at harvard college
undergrad B: i have a 4.0 at atlanta community college</p>
<p>if you are an employer, who would you hire??</p>
<p>Oh, lets go on that tangent again cuz I have something to say. I had a 3.76 at UCI which is respectable. I say "had" because I got a 3.25 the past quarter. -<em>-' In the summer, I took three courses at a community college and received B, B, C. -</em>-' I went one class (the teacher was decent) 21/24 times and the other two classes i went to less than four times including finals and midterms. Never read material or studied. Did have to write a few papers which were top notched at the community college even though I can't write for crap. =) I swear I wrote a paper a couple hours before class and the CC prof said, "this is one of the best paper I've read so far." Competition is non existent at CC. Anyone who has good work ethics can achieve a 4.0 at a CC. I would not say so for a decent university. I've taken classes at both the CC and a university and I can testify that it's much harder to get A's at an university.</p>
<p>Freshman at Nothwestern takes these classes during his/her first semester"
College Algebra
English 1301
Sociology
Biology</p>
<p>Now a freshman at say...atlanta community college takes these classes</p>
<p>Calculus
Physics
Business Statistics
Government II
Philosophy</p>
<p>Both of them make a 4.0.</p>
<p>Now the discussion that I find so premature concludes that a student who makes a 4.0 at a CC has a G.P.A. that is of less value to that of a student from Northwestern. The stereotypical, premature and prejudice assumption that classes at a CC are much easier is a load of b<strong><em>s</em></strong>! I would know I've been to both. Many here have failed to realize the student's potential a kid who made a G.P.A. of 4.0 in CC could "possibly" do the same at the university level also many have failed to look at the severity of the course work. Who says a kid who took 19 credit hours and attained a G.P.A of 4.0 got is "easy". Once again this is pure b<strong><em>s</em></strong>. Watch out for who you offend! </p>
<p>I have never claimed that people who get 4.0 in CC have lesser capability. My point is not about potential of students at different universities/colleges. Its about the value. If someone gets a 4.0 in CC, s/he might be able to get a great GPA in Northwestern or might not. If s/he can, then society is not being shown the candidate's true capability. That, however, does not mean that the student does not have the capability. We are talking about perception.</p>
<p>ignore kunfuzed101. he probably attends a crappy school and is bitter about it. his entire analogy is simply lacking in value. of course a 4.0 in basic arithmetic and intro to psychology doesn't worth much. </p>
<p>the arguments don't merit further discussion. let the thread die here</p>