Glad to hear a well thought-out and considered reply. A play on someone’s username-difficult to refute such a trenchant argument.
Barack Obama transferred-as I said-in 1981. Before insulting other people’s intelligence, I’d suggest you make sure you’ve got all the facts straight.
And I fail to see how noting that college applications are more competitive now helps your case. The fact remains that plenty of schools (especially the UCs) accept a number of transfer applicants from community colleges. Dismissing top CC students as “the best of the worst” and proclaiming yourself to be unquestionably superior to all 7.5 million students enrolled at community colleges across the country is, quite frankly, absurd. I guarantee you that among those 7.5 million, there are applicants more qualified than you, or me, or anyone here on CC.
You’re right-it’s tougher to get into top schools now. And, though you refuse to accept this, you’ll be competing not only with transfer applicants from four-year universities, but also with a number of very qualified students from community colleges. There are CC students applying with a 4.0 and great extracurriculars. There are CC students who’ve made strides academically since high school, and are now strong candidates at any school in the country. This with transfer admission rates at nearly all the schools you listed below 5%.
I don’t know what your chances are at UVA. My quick-and-dirty estimate of your chances at the other colleges on the list puts your odds of getting into any one of them at below 50%. The fact remains that I don’t know what admissions officers will say, so if you’re bent on applying, apply. Just don’t post on CC, ask for chances, and then argue that every student who isn’t in your situation is somehow undeserving of a spot or “the best of the worst.”
Your comments about CC kids are wrong, many kids that dont get into their top choice will go to CC for a semester or year. Some of these kids will have higher test scores and a higher gpa than you, and will look better than you when applying for transfer. You should consider CC kids the biggest competition. I know a kid who got rejected as a high school senior from HYP with a 2390 SAT and a 4.0 unweighted gpa, so he went to CC for a semester and got perfect grades. He then transferred to Yale because his college grades showed he was right for their school. You should do some more research and be less arrogant, because in my opinion Michigan is not an amazing school.
Ditto the last two comments. Either hubris is your traveling companion or you are not reading the nominal admission rates for transfers correctly. Again, they are roughy 2-3 times, statistically, harder to obtain admission than as a freshmen. And I’m not just speaking as a passive observer here, my middle D is at Yale, and I formerly held an appointment at the school.
My sister-in-law is one of those community college kids that you look down your nose on. Her terminal degree was at Harvard Med. If you underestimate your business colleagues like that, you’re going to have a tough time in the business world.
Do they offer composition courses at your school? If not, you may want to drop by their writing center for help with spelling, punctuation, and editing before you write your transfer essays.
@row566 -Michigan is certainly no school for slackers, I’ll say that-there are some excellent departments. The school’s political science department, for instance, is better than those you’ll find at plenty of big-name schools (As an aspiring PoliSci major, I like to think I’ve done my homework on the matter). So I’d disagree with your characterization of the school as “not an amazing school.”
However, you’re right that it’s unlikely anyone at the colleges on OP’s list will exclaim “A 3.84 GPA at Michigan? Admit him, now!”
The SAT you took while you were enrolled in college will likely NOT be considered at all by these colleges. The test is designed to be taken pre-college…not during college.
The University of Michigan is one of the top research universities in the world. They are top-10 in many programs, which points to the quality of the faculty, and the students are among the most accomplished (on average) of any public school. If it weren’t for Berkeley, it would be a fair statement to say that Michigan is the top public school. It could at least be argued with gusto.
Wow the arrogance. If the CC kid has a great back story as a URM and First Gen student - you gotta bet the CC kid gets the admit over this kid all day and night.
Truly want that great finance job? Find out where those companies hire from and go to one of those schools. I bet that college list is different than you would think. Do your homework and make an educated decision.
@Oberyn I know adults (Parents and relatives) in top firms, and they say that they will mostly hire their MBAs out of Harvard, Wharton and Stanford Buisness Schools. They also say that they will treat every other applicant’s education level as equal, regardless of whether they went to a CC or not. They base it then on a what type of person you are rather than education if you did not go to the schools mentioned above. Michigan is good, but it will not make you superior to others who went to “lesser schools” in the job market. I also don’t see how not taking the ACT or SAT yet has anything to do with my knowledge of a university.
The schools are what you make of them. Transferring to another school for their network might get you an interview or a job offer but you still have to be able to do the work. So do what you think is best. Course my son is a Junior at Ross and hearing all the connections he and his friends have made tells me that Michigan does have a large network.