Ivy League(s) for a Science Major?

<p>No, the Chemistry department at Princeton offers one or more biochemistry courses, and quite a number of professors do research in biochemistry and biophysics, often in conjunction with the Molecular Biology and Physics departments, but there is no degree or certificate offered in biochemistry.
There is a certificate program in biophysics.</p>

<p>Sorry, my mistake then. I must've confused it with Molecular Biology.</p>

<p>Gourman Report ranking for undergraduate biochemistry</p>

<p>Biochem from Gourman
Harvard
MIT
UC Berkeley
Wisconsin
Yale
UCLA
Cornell
UC San Diego
U Chicago
U Illinois
Columbia
U Michigan
U Penn
UC Davis
Brandeis
Northwestern
Princeton
U Iowa
Michigan State
Rice
Case Western
Purdue West Lafayette
Oregon State
NYU
U Oregon
Rutgers New Brunswick
SUNY Stony Brook
U Texas Austin
Iowa State
UC Riverside
Penn State University park
USC</p>

<p>Gourman Report undergrad biophysics:
Johns Hopkins
U Michigan AA
UC San Diego
Yale
U Illinois UC
Purdue WL
MIT
U Penn
Cornell
Carnegie Mellon
Brown
Iowa State
SUNY Buffalo</p>

<p>But who would really go to U Illinois over Princeton?</p>

<p>The notion that Harvard or Yale are weak in bio sciences is truly absurd. They both have some of the top graduate programs in the world in these fields. </p>

<p>Cornell is excellent but you folks are confusing engineering with biochem and biophys, they are very different areas.</p>

<p>For an undergraduate, you can get a superb education in these fields at any of the ivies. Be very careful about paying attention to the opinions expressed in this thread, since several of the posters clearly have no idea what they are talking about. </p>

<p>Rather than the Gourman report, which does not publish its methods, look at the NRC report on research doctorate programs. The new report is due out this winter, but the old one showed that program quality tends to be stable over long periods of time.</p>

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none of the Ivies are known for science except perhaps Cornell.
Ivies are more of a social science & humanities school.

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<p>This is absolutely untrue. Not even close to being true. WHERE did you get this from?</p>

<p>Cornell biological/medical sciences received a total of $450 million in gifts last year. They are building a new biology building in Ithaca with some of the money, and they are strengthening the already excellent programs.</p>

<p>Dude *** is this thread. Its obviously Princeton. They have a long tradition of math and science geniuses. nash, Einstien all studied or taught there.</p>

<p>If you are considering schools that are elite but are not in the Ivy League, the University of Chicago has a strong biochem program as well as research opportunities for research in biochem and biophysics. I found this class listed in the course catalog-- it looks pretty awesome:</p>

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20244. The BIO 2010 University of Chicago Initiative: Biophysics and Chemical Biology. PQ: BIOS 20234 and first-year standing. This interdisciplinary seminar course is designed to prepare students for research at the interface of physical and biological sciences. Papers are selected from those recently published by colleagues at the University of Chicago, allowing students to meet and interact with authors and to explore examples of approaches drawn from the physical sciences and applied as powerful tools to understand biological systems. Working in groups, the students master the contents of each paper. They then conduct critical reviews, both in class and by writing essays. Through lab demonstrations and visits, students are introduced to key research methods and the shared research labs that provide access to key technologies to scientists at the University of Chicago. S. Kron. Spring.

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<p>from <a href="http://collegecatalog.uchicago.edu/pdf_08/BIOS.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://collegecatalog.uchicago.edu/pdf_08/BIOS.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The biochem program is more established for undergrads:
<a href="http://collegecatalog.uchicago.edu/pdf_08/BCHM.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://collegecatalog.uchicago.edu/pdf_08/BCHM.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Wait a minute, this is the same community who constantly points out that UC Berkeley is not nearly as good as the Ivies in undergraduate education because USNews says so despite competing head-to-head in graduate departments with Harvard. Suddenly when the topic of sciences is involved for UNDERGRADUATE education, graduate education quality rules all?</p>

<p>No doubt the Ivies still bear an overall better reputation among people for undergraduate education mostly due to their selectivity, but I think I'm starting to see the light.</p>

<p>collegehopeful78: Einstein neither studied or taught at Princeton. He was at the Institute for Advanced Study and he didn't teach any courses. The connection between the Institute and Princeton is nebulous at best.</p>

<p>I'm fairly certain that Einstein did teach courses in the university and while IAS is not directly affiliated with the university, IAS faculty does teach and mentor PU students. Von Neumann for example was an original member of the IAS faculty and Turing was his PhD student. Yet Turing's PhD was granted by Princeton, not IAS (John</a> von Neumann) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. My own advisor's (grad student) mentor is an IAS faculty member. IAS and Princeton are distinct but there are very strong collaborative ties between the two.</p>

<p>Einstein had no teaching responsibilities from the 1920's in Germany on!</p>

<p>I remember reading somewhere that he did teach, though.</p>

<p>Maybe it was just in Germany, then...</p>