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<p>W was included in the list of “11” that had gone Ivy undergrad (Obama being the other “dual” Ivy alumnus)</p>
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<p>Perhaps not if you are trying to land that barista position at your local Starbucks, but if have aspirations of becoming an MD at Goldman or a partner at McKinsey or at a prestigious law firm – you better bet that “good old boys club” is alive and well.</p>
<p>I mean, when Goldman Sachs is effectively running the Fed during the crisis by extension of Tres Sec and former Goldman alumnus Paulson (Dartmouth and HBS alumnus) – you really doubt the power of that club? They only run this country in case you hadn’t noticed.</p>
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<p>Cleveland didn’t graduate from Princeton. In fact, I’m not even sure he had a college degree. There are two former presidents only who are Princeton grads: James Madison (back in 1771, when there were fewer than 10 colleges in the 13 colonies !) and Woodrow Wilson (again, back in 1879 !). </p>
<p>I go back to my original point: no college in the US, be it Harvard, Yale or Princeton, can claim to have the kind of “monopoly” over the office of POTUS that Oxford University for example has in the UK wrt the office of British PM. US Presidents may be Ivy Leaguers, may have attended a military academy, or may have graduated from a state university or even an unknown liberal arts college. That’s to be expected as, unlike the UK, the US is a far more diverse and less elitist society.</p>
<p>BTW, out of the 5 last US presidents who attended Ivy schools as ** undergrads **, four were actually, as I said, from very wealthy and well-connected families (FDR, JFK, and the Bushes). It is uncertain how significant their Ivy degrees were on their political careers. On the other hand, their family background was significant though in their getting into Harvard or Yale.</p>
<p>Excellent point bruno, with the exception of H and Y, which have been president factories, the remaining six Ivies have only produced 4 presidents (only 2 in the last 150 years) combined. William and Mary and Michigan have also produced 4 presidents combined.</p>
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<p>Did I say that he did? Re-read my post (#36):</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064097830-post36.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064097830-post36.html</a></p>
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<p>Its very clear that I differentiate between those that graduated (I include their graduation classes – and those that did not).</p>
<p>When did I state that Cleveland graduated from Princeton? I merely stated that he served as a Princeton Trustee.</p>
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<p>Excellent strawman argument.</p>
<p>Has anyone on CC claimed that a school has a “monopoly” on producing Presidents to the level that Oxford has with PM?</p>
<p>Certainly not I. In fact, I challenge you to find a single post that has made such a claim by anyone. Good luck. </p>
<p>Of course no school has a “monopoly”. Do you even know what that word means? It means that there are no other competitors. You are stating the painfully obvious. In other news, water is wet and it gets dark at night. It’s insightful groundbreaking stuff. Just riveting.</p>
<p>Southwest Texas State Teachers College has seen more of its alumni elected to the U.S.Presidency than Cornell, Dartmouth, or Brown, if I’m not mistaken. Ditto for Miami of Ohio, Eureka College, and Whittier College.</p>
<p>Stupid thread. Of course Ivy Leaguers are revered by employers.</p>
<p>In my experience, the prospective employers are most impressed by the appearance on a resume of a school with glitzy reputation are those who have an even more impressive name on their own resumes. </p>
<p>That was true of two of the last four jobs I’ve accepted. The other two were much more focused on recent accomplishments.</p>
<p>I’ve also had the opposite experience - a job interviewer who pointedly announced that I went to more impressive schools than anyone else in the department. I didn’t get an offer from him.</p>
<p>well if JFK junior had lived and had become president as the preordained, then Brown would have had their first. We will never know. yeah, funny how the conversation switched to presidents however. and I too agree with Bruno’s point about family connections.'</p>