<p>Is it a BETTER option to apply to the ivy`s after spending 2 years at a university,if ur serious about getting in?</p>
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<p>does it make no difference?</p>
<p>As opposed to what?</p>
<p>you wont be giving yourself any big advantage by applying as a transfer to any of the schools.</p>
<p>as opposed to applying after 1 year</p>
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<p>On the contrary, Brown is significantly less competitive for transfers than for freshmen.</p>
<p>i wouldnt exactly call a 24% transfer acceptance rate a "big advantage" over the freshmen acceptance rate. Lets be reasonable. </p>
<p>if you're trying to hide a crappy high school record, it's better to apply after 2 years, but you're not exactly out of the deep end as the high school record will still be considered.</p>
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i wouldnt exactly call a 24% transfer acceptance rate a "big advantage" over the freshmen acceptance rate. Lets be reasonable.
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<p>Uhhh... compared to 15%, that sounds pretty 'big.'</p>
<p>This is without taking into account the respective type of applicant pools.</p>
<p>i guess it's in the eye of the beholder. </p>
<p>you're gonna need fantastic stats for either a freshmen or a transfer to Brown anyways (my point).</p>
<p>and then you have to factor whether you are applying for aid and whether you're applying for fall v. spring admissions too, i'm guessing its much easier for someone who doesn't apply for aid, and for the spring semester.</p>
<p>No, I disagree with you on that gomestar. You don't need stellar stats. You just need to have a rigorous curriculum in your major, good essay, decent scores, and a high GPA to get into Brown. Brown is transfer friendly and very realistic. They also don't place a great emphasis on what college you transfer in from unlike other schools and being at the top of your class at a community college is trivial. I would hardly categorize brown as requiring "amazing" stats. </p>
<p>The way I see it, it's easiest to get into CALS.</p>
<p>If you're a NY resident, it's hard NOT to get into Cornell CALS. Because even if they don't take you, they'll put you in their Guaranteed Transfer program. After all, a significant portion of their funding comes from the state govern. so they have to accept several transfers from the state. My cousin got a 3.4 average at her college (considering what school she goes to and what her major is, that's PITIFUL) and she was put in the GT program. She has terrible sat scores and has no ec's whatsoever.
Not to rip on CALS or anything. It's a world class institution.</p>
<p>"You just need to have a rigorous curriculum in your major, good essay, decent scores, and a high GPA to get into Brown"</p>
<p>you proved my point, despite apparantly disagreeing with me. </p>
<p>"even if they don't take you, they'll put you in their Guaranteed Transfer program"</p>
<p>wrong. you can be rejected. it especially applies to which major you are apply to. Guaranteed transfer agreements are given to people who apply as freshmen, aren't initially admitted, but are guaranteed a spot in the transfer class if they maintain a minimum gpa at another school.</p>
<p>eternity hope, I have to let you know that I have no idea what you are saying. Various schools have articulation agreements with CALS, but those aren't as "ironclad" so to speak, as a guaranteed transfer. Guaranteed transfers are ONLY offered to people that apply as freshman (before they ever matriculate to any university and are still in high school). I have a guaranteed transfer, I was offered it after Cornell gave me the semi-rejection letter saying, no, we don't want you right now, but if you do well enough in college, we will let you transfer in. This was april or may of my senior year in high school. At any rate, the point I'm making is that they don't offer transfers a guaranteed transfer, and to be honest with you, I have a guaranteed transfer and I'm really worried about getting it because I had outside circumstances that caused me to fail a required class, even though I retook it and got a B, which was what they required. So the 65% or whatever amount of people that get rejected as transfers would definetly disagree that it's impossible to get rejected from Cornell. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to be a d/ick to anyone and hope to see you at Cornell if you apply, I'm just trying state what I know.</p>
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<p>No, he/she did not.</p>
<p>nspeds did you apply anywhere else aside from Brown?</p>
<p>"a rigorous curriculum in your major, good essay, decent scores, and a high GPA"</p>
<p>this is average? am i wrong? A 3.2 is most likely above average at most schools (except for Penn A&S where over 56% of grades given are A's) but a 3.2 will probably not be competitive applying to Brown. On the other hand, a 3.8 will be. Is a 3.8 in a rigorous curriculum not stellar academic performance?</p>
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this is average? am i wrong? A 3.2 is most likely above average at most schools (except for Penn A&S where over 56% of grades given are A's) but a 3.2 will probably not be competitive applying to Brown. On the other hand, a 3.8 will be. Is a 3.8 in a rigorous curriculum not stellar academic performance?
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<p>I never implied that it is average. The implication is that much more is required from freshmen to be competitive viz., high AP scores, SAT IIs, stellar ECs, and so forth. </p>
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<p>I did not apply anywhere.</p>
<p>well technically it is, but the way I see it... 3.8 means that in at least 2 classes you couldn't be in the top 15%... so I will call a 3.8 a very good academic performance but by no means stellar.</p>
<p>GT is only offered for frosh? Not what I heard from others. So now I have to just either believe them or you. Why don't you give me a link affiliated with Cornell's website that says only frosh can be considered for GT so we can settle this once and for all. I've been looking online for the GT program and can't find any solid info. about it in Cornell's database. </p>
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<p>Gomestar what are you talking about? How did I prove your point that you need amazing stats to get into Brown? Okay I'll try and explain this again.</p>
<p>Let's talk about community colleges here. CALS and Brown don't place much emphasis on what school you transfer from. So is it hard to get a 4.0 at a CC in NY and be at the top of your class? I don't think so. I also don't know why you ever brought up a "3.2" average because in the case of a CC student, I would hope you can pull at least 3.95+. What does a 3.2 have to do with this? I'm not talking about majoring at Georgia Tech or UT and then trying to transfer into Cornell if that's what your thinking. Yes, at schools like that it isn't "Easy" to get a very high GPA but it's unnecessary to transfer from those schools in the first place. I've personally taken CC classes in the summer at a very good CC and I think it's very easy. </p>
<p>So decent sat scores (which anyone serious and focused can get), a very high GPA and good essays are not "amazing" stats. I'm not proving anything on your side. It is very realistic to transfer into Brown and you don't need amazing stats. Also, yes I do see a 16% to a 24% jump in the acceptance rate from frosh to transfer admittance as significant.</p>
<p>I might have been a bit brash when I said it's hard not to get into CALS as a transfer. But I still think it's relatively easy if you go about it the right way.</p>
<p>let's say you're right about the GT program requirements (for frosh only). CALS actually favors NY CC students. It's like the CC colleges in Cali - they have strong favorable bias to get into Berkeley and UCLA as opposed to out of state students. If you do very well in a NY CC (don't make me go through this again), it's easy to transfer into CALS. Also, CALS doesn't care about SAT's after 2 years; I checked with the adcoms on this. They only care about grades and your essay. So if you're hell bent on going to CALS, the best way to go about this is to go to a NY CC because then the process becomes relatively painless.</p>
<p>So I stand by what I said about Brown and CALS being very realistic and doable to transfer into. Last I checked, CALS had a ridiculously high transfer admit rate (I think it was close to 40% I'm not sure).</p>
<p>and then you resume is going to go</p>
<p>Community College
Cornell</p>
<p>Hm. I don't know. I say go as high as you can the first time, do your best, and then transfer. But technically with the guearanteed transfer you will pawn students from far better institutions, who have worked a lot harder.</p>
<p>martiniblueX,</p>
<p>if you graduate from Cornell with good grades no one is ever going to care what you did before cornell. You're not even required to put that you went to a CC (unless you're talking grad. school admissions but grad schools don't care if you went to a CC prior as long as you did well). My good friend transferred into Cornell AEM dept. from a CC and she now works as an investment banker for a bulge bracket firm. She never put that she transferred in from a CC nor was she ever required to. Nor was she ever asked by the recruiters. </p>
<p>Furthermore, this is about MAXIMIZING your chances of admissions. CALS is partly a fed. funded institution and is favorably biased towards NY residents. Just like UCLA and Berkeley favoring Cali CC students. I even confirmed with adcoms at Berkeley/CALS/UCLA that if you are really serious about going to these schools it's best to study a neighboring CC and then transfer in. It makes perfect sense. Notice I don't confuse CALS with CAS or other depts.</p>