IVY versus top schools like Caltech,MIT,etc.

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<p>IPBear - one big reason for that is Chicago still lags a bit in its financial aid policies. Another reason is that many of the cross-admits with Brown, Penn, etc. already hail from the east coast, and there’s a good deal of east coast-centrism that compels talented students to simply stay in the region for college.</p>

<p>Another big reason is yes, Chicago still has the grinder, negative connotations of “where fun comes to die” atmosphere that turns off many potential students. The thinking goes, why struggle mightily at Chicago for a 3.2 GPA when one can have a more enjoyable time at Brown and get a 3.7 GPA? </p>

<p>The key to all these points, though, is that Chicago is CHANGING. GPA inflation has crept in at Chicago, with the avg. GPA by most accounts being around a 3.3-3.4. The core is now more flexible and, while Chicago is more rigorous, it is not as punishing as it once was. Also, the incoming students are stronger than previous cohorts, and are more equipped to deal with the challenges of a Chicago education.</p>

<p>Overall, Chicago is losing its grinder, “where fun comes to die” rep, and in the next five years, I expect that Chicago will do better in cross-admit battles. Again, it will always struggle though because a lot of the talent the top ivies covet come right from New England and the mid-atlantic, and the midwest is not seen as a particularly desirable location. (This sorta thinking stinks btw, because I think Chicago is a GREAT city, and is probably better than Phila, Providence, etc., and could even give Boston a run for its money.) </p>

<p>As the new admissions dean, nondorf comes in, expect the Chicago yield rate to change. Since Chicago is basically on equal footing with Columbia, Duke, Penn, etc., I’d imagine it could get down to the 60-40 range (meaning Chicago will take 40% of the cross-admits from a Penn or Duke). I don’t ever really see a 50/50 split because of the factors I mentioned above, but if Chicago can get to the 60-40 or 55-45 range, it’s done about as well as it can do given the east coast bias and its own location. </p>

<p>Who knows though, Nondorf worked magic at Yale and RPI, so maybe the trend will continue at Chicago…</p>

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<p>good cuz I am applying to uchicago lol:)</p>

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<p>Stanford, MIT, UChicago, CalTech beat most of the Ivy Schools according to more objective standard. </p>

<p>US News 2010 World’s Best Universities</p>

<p>Rank Overall Score
1 Harvard University
United States 100.0
Academic Peer Review Score
100 Employer Review Score
100 Student to Faculty Score
96 International Faculty Score
87 International Students Score
81 Citations per Faculty Score
100 </p>

<p>2 Yale University
United States 99.8
Academic Peer Review Score
100 Employer Review Score
100 Student to Faculty Score
100 International Faculty Score
89 International Students Score
71 Citations per Faculty Score
98 </p>

<p>3 University of Cambridge
United Kingdom 99.5
Academic Peer Review Score
100 Employer Review Score
100 Student to Faculty Score
99 International Faculty Score
98 International Students Score
95 Citations per Faculty Score
89 </p>

<p>4 University of Oxford
United Kingdom 98.9
Academic Peer Review Score
100 Employer Review Score
100 Student to Faculty Score
100 International Faculty Score
96 International Students Score
96 Citations per Faculty Score
85 </p>

<p>5 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
United States 98.6
Academic Peer Review Score
100 Employer Review Score
74 Student to Faculty Score
98 International Faculty Score
100 International Students Score
93 Citations per Faculty Score
100 </p>

<p>6 Imperial College London
United Kingdom 98.4
Academic Peer Review Score
99 Employer Review Score
100 Student to Faculty Score
100 International Faculty Score
98 International Students Score
100 Citations per Faculty Score
83 </p>

<p>7 UCL (University College London)
United Kingdom 98.1
Academic Peer Review Score
96 Employer Review Score
99 Student to Faculty Score
100 International Faculty Score
96 International Students Score
100 Citations per Faculty Score
89 </p>

<p>8 University of Chicago
United States 98.0
Academic Peer Review Score
100 Employer Review Score
99 Student to Faculty Score
98 International Faculty Score
78 International Students Score
83 Citations per Faculty Score
91 </p>

<p>9 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
United States 96.7
Academic Peer Review Score
100 Employer Review Score
100 Student to Faculty Score
90 International Faculty Score
33 International Students Score
94 Citations per Faculty Score
100 </p>

<p>10 Columbia University
United States 96.3
Academic Peer Review Score
100 Employer Review Score
99 Student to Faculty Score
98 International Faculty Score
29 International Students Score
89 Citations per Faculty Score
94 </p>

<p>11 University of Pennsylvania
United States 96.1
Academic Peer Review Score
97 Employer Review Score
98 Student to Faculty Score
88 International Faculty Score
83 International Students Score
79 Citations per Faculty Score
99 </p>

<p>12 Princeton University
United States 95.7
Academic Peer Review Score
100 Employer Review Score
98 Student to Faculty Score
75 International Faculty Score
91 International Students Score
82 Citations per Faculty Score
100 </p>

<p>13 Duke University
United States 94.4
Academic Peer Review Score
97 Employer Review Score
98 Student to Faculty Score
100 International Faculty Score
30 International Students Score
66 Citations per Faculty Score
94 </p>

<p>13 Johns Hopkins University
United States 94.4
Academic Peer Review Score
99 Employer Review Score
78 Student to Faculty Score
100 International Faculty Score
30 International Students Score
68 Citations per Faculty Score
100 </p>

<p>15 Cornell University
United States 94.3
Academic Peer Review Score
100 Employer Review Score
99 Student to Faculty Score
90 International Faculty Score
28 International Students Score
76 Citations per Faculty Score
96 </p>

<p>Shanghai Jiao Tong Academic ranking of worl Universities:</p>

<p>World Rank Institution* Region Regional Rank Country National Rank Score on Alumni Score on Award Score on HiCi Score on N&S Score on PUB Score on PCP Total
Score </p>

<p>1 Harvard Univ Americas 1 USA 1 100 100 100 100 100 74.1 100 </p>

<p>2 Stanford Univ Americas 2 USA 2 40 78.7 86.6 68.9 71.6 66.9 73.7 </p>

<p>3 Univ California - Berkeley Americas 3 USA 3 69 77.1 68.8 70.6 70 53 71.4 </p>

<p>4 Univ Cambridge Europe 1 UK 1 90.3 91.5 53.6 56 64.1 65 70.4 </p>

<p>5 Massachusetts Inst Tech (MIT) Americas 4 USA 4 71 80.6 65.6 68.7 61.6 53.9 69.6 </p>

<p>6 California Inst Tech Americas 5 USA 5 52.8 69.1 57.4 66.1 49.7 100 65.4 </p>

<p>7 Columbia Univ Americas 6 USA 6 72.4 65.7 56.5 52.3 70.5 46.6 62.5 </p>

<p>8 Princeton Univ Americas 7 USA 7 59.3 80.4 61.9 40.5 44.8 59.3 58.9 </p>

<p>9 Univ Chicago Americas 8 USA 8 67.4 81.9 50.5 39.5 51.9 41.3 57.1 </p>

<p>10 Univ Oxford Europe 2 UK 2 59 57.9 48.4 52 66 45.7 56.8 </p>

<p>11 Yale Univ Americas 9 USA 9 48.5 43.6 57 55.7 62.4 48.7 54.9 </p>

<p>12 Cornell Univ Americas 10 USA 10 41.5 51.3 54.1 52.3 64.7 40.4 54. </p>

<p>13 Univ California - Los Angeles Americas 11 USA 11 24.4 42.8 57.4 48.9 75.7 36 52.4 </p>

<p>14 Univ California - San Diego Americas 12 USA 12 15.8 34 59.7 53 66.7 47.4 50.3 </p>

<p>15 Univ Pennsylvania Americas 13 USA 13 31.7 34.4 58.3 41.3 69 39.2 49.0</p>

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<p>^ nice info, but wow university of cal san diego is up there? intersting…</p>

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<p>An Ivy vs a Top Tech Univ decision depends partly on your intended career, although look at which companies have actively and successfully recruited in your target university department major. For example, you’d be surprised at the number of engineers from MIT and other analytically focused universities working in finance in the non-bankrupt banks. Graduates who are well trained at objective, rigorous problem solving (and risk management) are valued in many industries, and smart managers have been recruiting them vigorously. Rocket scientist types may have a recruitment advantage over poly sci majors for many non-engineering jobs in these tougher times, especially in areas where efficiency and effectiveness matter, such as private commerce.</p>

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<p>^nice job there</p>