<p>do u have time to have a social life and stuff? do u have considerably less time than others in cas or wharton? when their out hving a great college expirience, are u stuck working?</p>
<p>lol, thanks for pointing that out millhouse. I'm now a "senior member"</p>
<p>dot510: I like to believe that my lame social life is due to my own weak social skills, and not my workload :-)</p>
<p>More seriously, I was worried about that too. It's never been a big deal. In college, at least at a place like penn, it's not generally the volume of work that keeps someone in on a Friday night. It's their ability to work efficiently and manage their time. Do I have as much time to sit around watching TV and playing on facebook? Not really, but those things don't bother me that much. That said, a big part of Wharton/engineering/m&t is planning your schedule so you don't take all the hardest classes at the same time.</p>
<p>Finally, I would definitely choose the M&T+great post-graduation options route over the college+worry about what you'll do after graduating route.</p>
<p>To be totally honest though, doing something like M&T is only possible if you really have your heart into it. At some point during the process, every M&T student chooses either a career more on the engineering side or on the Wharton side, and it's very tempting to say "why not drop the other program - it won't get me anywhere". It's a true love of studying both subjects at the same time, and an ability to see far into the future that keeps me (and other diehard m&ts) motivated.</p>
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A couple of those points are wrong. Most participants graduate in 4 years. To graduate from a dual/joint degree program, you need an absolute minimum of 46 credits. That works out to 6 classes most semesters
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<p>Sorry, I knew one of the two areas of study was diminished, and given the Wharton-centric inclination of these programs, I assumed it was the engineering degree.
Also, I'm surprised to learn that most people graduate in 4 years. I know 5 people in the program, and 3 of them are going to end up being super-seniors.</p>
<p>do we have room for electives and time for clubs in the M&T program?</p>
<p>yes, of course.</p>
<p>I would like to bump this thread to see if anyone has any more insight before decisions come out? Of course, it is insanely difficult to get into this, but I wanted to know more about the workload (and if APs get any credit)? Is this perfectly doable in 4 years with time to have fun on weekends as well? What kind of hand-tailored opportunities does this program provide? </p>
<p>Is it worth it to pay 50k to go to this program in favor of say Vanderbilt or Duke with full tuition scholarships?</p>
<p>ap credit works the same way with m&t as with the rest of the university, so taking ap tests is highly advised</p>
<p>and as far as opportunities - the m&t students are among the most prized for recruiting; plenty of employers come to penn that will not go to vanderbilt or duke, and some come specifically for m&t students</p>
<p>Regarding the AP credit, a 5 AP bio/chem/phys won't help you (for your engineering degree) because you still need to take the placement test at UPenn. AP Bio, for instance, gives you credit for Bio 091, but you need credit for Bio 101 or 121. Bio 091 is not required nor relevant to people in engineering.</p>
<p>AP's in languages may or may not help, depending on which language test you took. You don't really need to take AP's for math since you can get retroactive credit if you take a higher level math course. </p>
<p>Dual degree is doable in 4 years, but how much "fun" you have depends on how efficient you are and how much partying you plan on doing. As for the perks of M&T, I am not aware of many tech firms that will recruit only M&T but not SEAS, and I doubt there are many finance/business firms who would not recruit Wharton. However, M&T is a prestigious program and definitely something you should consider if you want to study business+engineering. For just about any career, finance+engineering will help you land a better job than finance alone.</p>
<p>"For just about any career, finance+engineering will help you land a better job than finance alone."</p>
<p>^Which is why so many people do their BSE followed by an MBA and don't try to dabble in both finance AND engineering at the UG level :).</p>
<p>I go to Columbia but I have a family member who is an M&T grad. The workload is intense, but compared to stanford engineering or harvard sciences+engineering, it's comparable. You'll take an extra class a semester at penn but your classes will be slightly more difficult at stanford engineering and Harvard engineering/sciences just because of the competition. M&T kids take very few classes with only other M&T students, they take most classes with general Wharton, CAS and SEAS kids. A lot of M&T kids going to finance/business drop to doing a BAS (easier engineering degree) instead of the full blown BSE. The program is the best possible prep for an job in finance or consulting.</p>
<p>Most graduate in 4 years and job opportunities after the program are the best of anywhere. My family member started at a hedge fund and within 2 years had a stanford master's student start as an analyst under them. You are also considered the sht on campus because you are part of this elite program. Alumni circle and connections are good also. So it depends on what you want, if you want to do finance M&T should trump anything, even duke or Vandy, you'll likely have made up the saved money within 5-10 years because of your big head start. If you are interested in engineering or entrepreneurship, Stanford is the place. If you are interested in law, politics or consulting H beats M&T (matches it in consulting)</p>
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"For just about any career, finance+engineering will help you land a better job than finance alone."</p>
<p>^Which is why so many people do their BSE followed by an MBA and don't try to dabble in both finance AND engineering at the UG level .
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<p>Some people might find engineering or finance alone not challenging enough.</p>
<p>Also, you will have a harder time getting into finance after college with just an engineering degree (as opposed to a dual degree). </p>
<p>Personally, I just like the thought of getting two degrees...=)</p>
<p>"Also, you will have a harder time getting into finance after college with just an engineering degree (as opposed to a dual degree)."</p>
<p>No, not at all! That's the great part. You just need to demonstrate signficant work experience/exposure to get into a good MBA program. Of course, I won't argue that it can't hurt to have both degrees at the Bachelor's level, but it really isn't necessary. And, this is especially true at a school like Wharton where the UG and MBA programs are practically identical.</p>
<p>^I'm talking about getting a job and entering the finance industry after undergrad, not getting into an MBA program.</p>
<p>Aston are you in M&T or just getting a dual?</p>
<p>Transferred into M&T from wharton</p>
<p>what was your first year GPA?</p>
<p>"If you are interested in engineering or entrepreneurship, Stanford is the place"</p>
<p>Can you please elaborate on that?</p>
<p>Stanford has a world renowned engineering program and is the alma mater of the founders of Cisco, SUN, HP, Google, and many other top high tech companies. So in terms of engineering+entrepreneurship, I don't think any school can compete with Stanford.</p>
<p>It's proximity to Silicon Valley doesn't hurt either.</p>
<p>^ Haha, I tried to stress my huge interest in engineering and entrepreneurship in my Stanford app, didn't help. Still think that I'd be a good fit there though.</p>
<p>I'm taking 8 courses. 7.5 credits. Trust me, it's not that hard. If you want to do both, M&T is a great way to start. A lot of people drop and do their own dual degree because M&T is just too restrictive and doesn't let you take courses you want. I dropped it. Now I'm a semester ahead of the M&T kids credit wise :)</p>