<p>thanks so much IBclass06- that really helped… appreciate it…</p>
<p>one thing- i read that duke was one of the smallest of the nation’s major universities (13,088 full time studnts)- so is the campus still huge, but with less students?
because personally i prefer huge campuses…</p>
<p>JHU freshmen live in freshmen dorms.They are not generally integrated.</p>
<p>" JHU freshmen live in freshmen dorms.They are not generally integrated. "</p>
<p>What IBclass was getting to with “Duke freshmen have their own campus; JHU freshmen are integrated.” is that Duke has a huge part of campus devoted solely to Freshmen, the East Campus. That is where all the Freshmen lives, eats, studies, and have fun. They have a whole section of a campus, not a dorm or two. That is a big difference because other than classes, most Freshmen live, eat, socialize, study in library primarily with Freshmen. The section of the campus has it’s own dining spaces, library, dorms, clinic and “lawn”.</p>
<p>thanks so much! wow, it must be really really different at duke then…</p>
<p>thanks for letting me know - really really appreciate it guys =)</p>
<p>Having spent four years at Hopkins, and the last month at Duke, there’s one thing that “feels” different between the two. To me, it always felt like the Homewood campus was dominated by undergrads - it was a relatively small environment where undergraduate life was the primary focus. On the other hand, Duke has all its schools on a single campus, so the place “feels” a lot bigger. Granted I’ve never been here as an undergrad, so maybe my perception is off, but I get the feeling that undergrads are just a small part of the overall population/community here, instead of being the dominant part like at Hopkins. (Freshmen live on East Campus, but I believe the rest of the undergrads live and have classes on Central Campus or West Campus, which is right next to the Hospital, as well the Business and Law Schools). Not saying one is necessarily better than the other, but it definitely has a different feel than the Homewood campus and I agree that each campus will be a better fit for some people than others</p>
<p>How is Duke stronger than Hopkins academically?
Im just curious what criteria you are using. i know how everyone hates rankings but let me pull it up…
(<em>if i dont list rankings for one school it means they were not on the first page of ranking and the school listed was</em>)</p>
<p><strong>SUMMARY: both are great universities… academically speaking jhu is better at sciences and engineering, while duke is better in social sciences. it is about even in humanities and math. from my tally JHU is BETTER academically</strong> SEE BELOW FOR SPECIFICS</p>
<p><em>+</em>academic ranking of world universities: JHU 20th. Duke 32nd
<em>+</em>fsp index of top performing universities JHU 7th Duke 10th
<em>+</em>times higher education- qs world university rankings JHU 13th Duke 13th (overall tie)
–for arts and humanities: duke 20th, jhu 21 st…social sciences duke 25, jhu 38
–for natural sciences jhu 37, duke not in top 50…
–life science and biomedicine jhu 4th, duke 19th</p>
<p><em>+</em>us news and world report for ug universities Duke 8th JHU 15th
jhu has no law school, duke law is 10th
duke’s business school is 12th, jhu not on first page
duke has no school of education, jhu 7th
duke has no public health school, jhu 1st
medicine (research) jhu 2nd, duke 6th
medicine (primary care) jhu 37th, duke 45th
hospital jhu 1st, duke 8th- put hospital because primary care rankings basically tell you which schools put out most primary care docs and not which is better in terms of teaching.
nursing: jhu 4, duke 15</p>
<p>non science, more us news : tied for 23 in psych, duke wins in sociology and polysci, jhu wins in history (9 vs 14), duke wins english (10 vs jhu 13), duke wins econ (19 vs 25)</p>
<p>science us news and world report: jhu wins biology (6 vs duke 12), tied in math at 21, jhu wins physics, duke wins computer science, jhu wins earth science
engineering: overall ranking jhu wins, duke wasnt on first page</p>
<p>i dont like rankings but thats the best i have… and they show jhu wins overall :D</p>
<p>^forgot to mention JHU’s SAIS was ranked #1 for international studies (MS)
i dont know peabody’s rankings… if there are any i forgot feel free to add them guys.</p>
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The NRC rankings had Duke and Hopkins tied at #20 (non-zero scores) and #18 (all 41 fields). At the graduate level, the two are virtually interchangeable. </p>
<p>At the undergraduate and professional levels, Duke has an edge due to its renowned law, business, and divinity schools and more selective student body.</p>
<p>im sorry but duke only became more selective in the last couple of years. when i applied, both had a 24% admissions rate and i got into both. the clincher for me was jhu science> duke science. either way, both schools are in the same tier of selectivity, and that has nothing to do with which school is stronger academically. all it means is duke has a higher yield, likely due to its popularity from acc basketball and NOT its academic prowess.</p>
<p>so professional is not graduate? last time i checked you got an advanced degree when you graduate from law, business and divinity school. in that case, no edge for duke. cross off divinity because hopkins has no religious affiliation so thats not a fair fight.duke business is > hopkins. hopkins doesnt have a law school… but if duke law is renown, so is hopkins education…medicine…public health…sais…nursing… duke is not in the top 5 in any of these fields you say duke is “renowned” in yet hopkins is top 5 (#2, #1, #1, #4) in all but 1 field in the ones i just listed.</p>
<p>the BOTTOM LINE is both are VERY strong schools. whether you want to fess up to it or not, you say duke is stronger academically because of the undergrad’s ranking and admissions% :). unfortunately, both are terrible ways to judge a university’s academic strength. for example 10% of those usnews rankings is based on endowment. duke’s endowment is more than 2x greater than hopkins’. what does that have to do with academics? research dollars the university gets should tell you which school actually has more funds for academic pursuits.</p>
<p>jhu gets WAY more research funding than duke. in fact, jhu gets the most out of ANY research university … BY FAR. we’re talking 1.5 billion in the 06 fiscal year. the next highest was Uwisconsin at 830 million. duke was in 10th place at 660 million… almost 1 billion **fewer **research dollars…yikes. (<a href=“http://mup.asu.edu/research2008.pdf[/url]”>http://mup.asu.edu/research2008.pdf</a>)</p>
<p>academically speaking hopkins is the stronger institution. it is america’s TOP research university in terms of research funding…but yes both schools are great!</p>
<p>Pretty much every point that anyone’s going to make has a strong counterpoint. I can already guess what the next response is going to be about Hopkins research funding numbers. </p>
<p>If you’re getting in to Hopkins and Duke, you shouldn’t be making choices on rankings or prestige… look at things that really matter like campus environment, non-academic opportunities in whatever you’re interested in, campus culture etc etc</p>
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<p>Hey, research isn’t really academics. Yes you apply academics into research but research isn’t ever a academic curriculum. No where in a school are you required to do a research. Plus a lot of the academic research are for graduate schools students and most goes to professors that research for their own. Little goes to the students at all. Most of the money that goes for students are from their endowment. The research money a school gets doesn’t mean that a school is much academically smarter I have to say. Look at Caltech, they get much less research money than JHU but (if I have to go into ranking which I hate) their Biology AND Chemistry is way better than JHU. Thus you can’t say that Hopkins is a stronger school just because they get funding for research.</p>
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Again if you consider the fact that pretty much 90-100% of the research go to graduate and professional school research, then saying that research dollars judges academic strength of undergrads is totally irrelevant. I mean schools use their endowment to fund undergrad research. For example, Stanford sets aside approximately 4 million dollars in their endowment for undergraduate research. Little outside source is really going to funds a university for their undergrad to do research because they don’t trust undergrads. Most undergrads have little knowledge of the subject when compared to grad and professional school students and so grad students and professional school students can get more effective results than undergrads who don’t really have much experience with the subject.</p>
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<p>Let’s cross off the school for public health because Duke doesn’t have one and lets cross off SAIS because Duke doesn’t have a school for International Studies. Oh wait you pretty much got rid of half of what you said that JHU has over Duke. </p>
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Hmm so does that mean that we get to take out JHU’s Medical program? Oh wait then we just eliminated about 3/4 of what you said, sorry you just contradicted yourself. MD is a professional degree, so if you don’t consider MD, law school, business, public health, sais because one of the schools doesn’t have it and some are professional degree, your argument becomes useless.</p>
<p>It is purely pathetic that you guys rely so much on ranking, have you ever considered the fact that it is near impossible to ranking one exactly in front of the other? I mean there is no real way to say that going to Harvard is superior than going to Stanford. Nor is Medical school because each school has different departments. Some schools don’t worry about AIDS some school do. Some schools are more focused on cancer while others are on Oncology. I mean really. The number 1 has little superiority of the number 10. For the most part they are pretty much equal in academic strength. It is truly pathetic that you guys think that one school is better because they are ranked higher. JHU and Duke are pretty much equal, not one is superior over the other. Why? because Duke has programs that JHU doesn’t and vice versa. How are you going to rank them when that occurs? Plus there are various rankings where Duke is higher than JHU, does that mean that Duke is better? Well considering that you guys rely on ranking to make your case, then yes, but really it doesn’t.</p>
<p>So I honestly think that we should stop this arguement. JHU is just as good as Duke and Duke is just as good as JHU. Really if you go to one of them, it doesn’t even affect your chances at grad or professional school. Admissions to grad and professional school cares little about what school you went to and they sure aren’t going to try to figure out if Duke is better than JHU or is JHU better than Duke. They will just put them at the same level pretty much. I think that the OP has already got what he needs.</p>
<p>…in response to first 2 paragraphs… yea I haven’t figured out how to quote on here yet. Don’t tell me; if I start posting more often, I’ll figure it out.</p>
<p>Not to be rude, but if you are trying to say academia and research/publishing don’t go hand in hand, you really don’t know much about academia and should do more research before posting about it. And yes some majors here require research in order to graduate.
And you shouldn’t comment about where which funds are going to. Sure, there are fellowships here for sponsoring undergrad research that comes from the endowment, but you are missing the point. You can do research with any Hopkins department across the university for credit>> which means it doesn’t matter who is being paid and specifically where funding is coming from. You have access to a TREMENDOUS amount of research going on here, as you are not limited to undergrad research. Also, take myself as an example. Im doing research with Hopkins med this summer… im getting paid… and its NOT by the undergrad. Its by funding from the NIH… .yep im getting a piece of the 1.5 billion Hopkins rakes in to do research because that’s where my PI’s grant comes from. Depending on how long I work with this lab, I could get published from my work on special projects. That counts as undergrads doing research in your opinion, right? </p>
<p>And about Caltech being way better than Hopkins in bio… are you serious? Usnews ranks Caltech 1 spot higher than Hopkins (4.6 vs 4.7 rating)… times higher education world ranking puts Hopkins at 3rd… and Caltech as 16th in life sciences and biomedicine. So with such a great discrepancy I’ll need you to provide sources. Jk im not concerned because we are comparing duke to jhu. The funding plus department rankings is my argument for jh having a better bio dept than duke. I never said funding alone makes jh better but it is a big difference that separates the institutions, imo.</p>
<p>I lolled at “academically smarter.” What in the world? I hope you were trying to say stronger academic reputation as opposed to “smarter professors” haha. Curriculum has nothing to do with anything. All schools have great and terrible profs and that has little to nothing to do with where they got their degree or even how “smart” they are. Many nobel winning profs suck at communicating their brilliance to ugrads. Some profs have a tough time “dumbing it down” lol. PS: if you want to see general academic reputation by peer evaluation, check out this link : [World’s</a> Best Colleges: Top 400 - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-colleges/2009/06/18/worlds-best-colleges-top-400.html]World’s”>http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-colleges/2009/06/18/worlds-best-colleges-top-400.html) jhop/caltech have some of the best reps in the world</p>
<p>….in response to 3rd and 4th paragraph
Ha, did you read what you quoted? Sure you can cross of public health and sais if I can cross of law and divinity, as the other poster mentioned lol. (NOTE: the other poster said duke Law, Divinity, and Business gave it the edge… hopkins does not have law or divinity… so I thought it was fair game to mention sais and public health as renown institutions under jhu…how is that not fair? to add insult to injury I added the top 5 thing haha but that’s just to say if anything jh is more renowned in these areas than duke is in the areas it has that jhu lack.
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again, you missed my point. If this is because of my lack of clarity, then im sorry. The OTHER POSTER counted professional as different from graduate… I was saying that doing that doesn’t make sense because you get a grad degree from professional schools…so no you cant leave out medicine 
and the med school only counts once so I don’t follow your 2/3 comment.</p>
<p>… in response to last 2 paragraphs.
haha saying both schools are tied is no fun, but I agree with you that rankings suck. I don’t like using them, but there’s no other objective measure out there that I know of… both schools do indeed have different strengths but overall they are both great institutions and I’m going to leave it at that.</p>