JHU v UMich

<p>Hi all...I got into UMich and Hopkins for engineering.</p>

<p>Planned major: Electrical Engineering, Computer Engineering, or Computer Science</p>

<p>2nd Major: Economics, Marketing, or something Business related</p>

<p>Post Grad: Maybe a Masters in Engineering at a top school (MIT, Stanford, etc.)...Maybe a JD and/or an MBA at a top school (NW, Penn, etc.)</p>

<p>I didn't get any financial aid from either school. I'm OOS for Michigan. I've visited Hopkins before & am going to go back later. I'm going to visit Michigan this or next week.</p>

<p>I know both schools are good in just about every department - which helps in case I feel engineering isn't right for me.</p>

<p>What things do you think should I highly consider when making my decision? I'm not very picky, in general. I'm the youngest & everyone has been telling me it's my decision. To me, it's really hard to decide because...I'm not good with decisions b/c my whole life they (the big ones, at least) have been made for me.</p>

<p>Discuss:
1) Engineering: UMich has a better EECS and overall engineering school than JHU has.</p>

<p>2) Ross or LSA Economics v JHU Economics or JHU IR</p>

<p>3) Graduate School Placement</p>

<p>4) Job Placement</p>

<p>5) Location & Size</p>

<p>6) Social Life</p>

<p>I go to Hopkins and my brother goes to UMich and I've visited twice, so I think I have a pretty good idea of the dilemma you're facing. You've pretty much got it figured out - both are top schools and you really can't go wrong with either. However, there are a few key differences.</p>

<p>-The engineering programs at both schools are top notch</p>

<ul>
<li><p>The Ross School of Business (which my brother attends) is a top-5 undergrad b-school in the nation, as well as a top-5 MBA program. Subsequentially, there is A LOT of recruiting going on there if you want to go into the fields of finance, Wall Street, business, etc, much more so than here at Hopkins. However, there are also many more people there who you'll be competing with to get spots. Big finance firms (GS, Lehman, etc) recruit here at Hopkins, but not nearly as much as they do at Michigan.</p></li>
<li><p>The econ program at JHU isn't one of the strong programs here, I'd say Michigan has an advantage here</p></li>
<li><p>Hopkins IR is generally regarded as one of the top in the nation (and its the most popular major here). HOWEVER, that being said, unlike undergraduate b-school rankins, undergraduate IR rankings or perceived prestige carry VERY, VERY, LITTLE weight in the real world. Most companies will be oblivious to how good the undergraduate program is and will care more about the name "Johns Hopkins," but I guess that also depends on the field you're going to pursue. JHU's MA program in IR, SAIS, is generally recognized at top in the nation. However, the campus is in DC, thus making access to SAIS professors and resources difficult for JHU undergrads.</p></li>
<li><p>Job placement is pretty good for both schools due to prestige, although from what I hear from my brother, the career center at UMich is much better than the career center here (at least for my interests in business and law). However, a lot of that is due to the fact that Michigan has much more people, much more resources, a top graduate business school, and a top graduate law school on campus. If you do well at either schools, it shouldn't be difficult to land a top job.</p></li>
<li><p>I personally enjoyed the atmosphere at AA much better than here at Baltimore, but I think thats probably just because I enjoy quintessential college towns more than I enjoy bad cities, but its your personal preference.</p></li>
<li><p>Michigan has a lot more people and is generally more social. While lacrosse games are kinda fun here, its nothing like waking up, start drinking real early, and then heading down to the Big House with 110,000 other people. The game day atmosphere there is nuts. Although Hopkins is changing and becoming more social, there are still significant portions of the students who don't go out. While thats probably true at Michigan as well, the sheer number of students there more than balances it out.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Looking back, I don't know for sure if I would have chosen Hopkins over Michigan again, although I probably would just because it was cheaper for me to go here than to UMich and I was accepted to an accelerated BA/MA graduate program. I realized once I arrived in college that I prefer the big college-towns over cities, but thats my personal preference. You should visit both before deciding. The "Hopkins" name carries a little more prestige than the "Michigan" name (due to it being smaller, a private school, lower acceptance rates, etc), but the difference really is minimal and shouldn't be a deciding factor.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>wait, it's possible to get into ba/ma programs when applying to the undergrad o.O, i thought it was just a possible option?</p>

<p>Welsh, thanks for the information. </p>

<p>Here's a few things that perhaps some of you guys can comment on.
1) getting into Ross freshman year is about a 50:50 shot. I guess it's not too bad
2) Ross + Engineering combined might take me 5 years - money that I probably don't have.
3) I'm probably not interested in i-banking or anything of that nature. I'm interested in consulting or somehow mixing business and engineering. I don't want to be solely an engineering or a business man, but a mixture of both. I want a flexible degree, where if I wanted to go to ibanking, I would be able to do that (although it's very likely).
4) baltimore is 3 hours away...michigan is 10 hours away. i'm not sure how i will handle being away from home.
5) is double majoring in Comp Eng and IR a realistic field? can i do anything with that?
6) how hard is it to make the hopkins' baseball team? i'm alright at baseball & i plan on working hard. i'd like to know if an average kid could make the team. i probably could've made my hs team, but i didn't get a chance 9th & 10th b/c of a medical condition (which is pretty much stable now). I didn't try out 11th or 12th b/c I was devoted to other ECs...and wasn't on the team 9th and 10th. I've played baseball for other teams...I guess I'm decent.</p>

<p>This is an interesting scenario. All in all, it comes down to what type of environment you are looking for and the size factor. Based on what you have said here, I think you'll have a much easier time at DIII baseball at Hopkins than at Michigan FOR SURE. </p>

<p>I think if you were in-state at Michigan, I would say go there easily because there would be bang for your buck; however, being 3hrs from home with an opportunity to for top-notch IR or Engineering, Hopkins seems to make sense in this case I feel when considering quality of experience and return on investment. There are only 1200 students per entering class at Hopkins compared to 5,400 (!) at UMich. That is a notable difference especially since you would be traveling for it and paying out-of-state tuition. To travel farther for a less selective school and pay out-of-state tuition, there would have to be a majorly compelling reason I feel.</p>

<p>You apply for BA/MA programs generally in your sophomore year... theres no way to guarantee your admittance to the programs, so I'd be wary of going to JHU with the sole intent of pursing a 5 year BA/MA program.</p>

<ul>
<li> As long as you get good grades, you should have a pretty good shot at getting into Ross.</li>
<li> It would probably be difficult to do Ross and Engineering as I think they're in different schools</li>
<li> I-Banking firms recruit heavily at UMich. You can go into I-Banking with an engineering degree as well.... it may actually be a plus because it shows that you are a quantitative thinker (and it distinguishes you from the thousands of other BBAs applying for the same job). I-Banks recruit from ALL majors, not only BBAs.</li>
<li> I'd guess double majoring in Comp. Engineering and IR is possible, but theres really no point in doing so. Added stress for no real benefit.</li>
<li> Talk to the Hopkins Baseball coach. Baseball is D3 so it shouldn't be TOO difficult to walk on, but I really don't know</li>
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<p>One of the keys I've found out for college is to not over-stress yourself. Try to take the easiest classes you can that you find interesting (and that fulfill your major). If you want to go the law route, they don't care if you double major or take ridiculously difficult classes. All they care is your GPA and LSAT.</p>

<p>Also, to be honest, if you didn't play in HS I don't think theres a very good shot at making the team.</p>

<p>Ok. Chances are that I'm probably going to lean towards an MBA much more than to a JD. The Law School idea was just a thought. The MBA idea seems more realistic.</p>

<p>Let's say I have a preference for Hopkins. When it comes down to it, what's the real difference?</p>

<p>How much better is a #5 engineering school (Mich) over a #13 school (Hopkins)? Is going to Michigan for the social life worth it for giving up Hopkins? I'm paying a little bit more for Hopkins; is it worth it?</p>

<p>I guess the IR/Engineering thing doesn't make much sense, although I thought it would be interesting...to work both sides of my brain. Maybe what's best for me is Engineering/Economics or something like that. </p>

<p>I've visited Hopkins before & it was good. I've never visited UMich (will be going soon). I guess I have a special place in my heart for Hopkins, which is to trying to reason with me out of Michigan (my sister is an alum). </p>

<p>I don't know. I'm officially a confused president.</p>

<p>Im actually facing a very similar problem to the pres. I plan on studying mechanical engineering and my top two schools are Michigan and JHU. According to USNews Michigan is ranked 4th for ME and JHU is ranked 22nd. Im wondering what the significance of this difference is. I visited Hopkins and I like it there, but Ive heard that Michigan is a very nice school too. Being that I worked really hard over the past 3 years to get into a school like JHU, I think I'll find it pretty hard to give it up for a school that I could have done a lot less work and still have gotten into it. Anyway, Im visiting both JHU and Michigan next week and checking out their engineering departments, so mabey I'll gain some insight there.</p>

<p>I made a thread on this in the Engineering majors section:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=321597%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=321597&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I would really appreciate any advice here or at the other thread.
Thanks</p>