JHU vs. the ivies

College Search & Selection
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<p>How would you rank JHU vs. the ivies?</p>

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<p>7 Ivies
JHU
Cornell</p>

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<p>I would say it is on par with some of the lower Ivies. It has small classes, strong rankings, great research opportunities and offers many of the same programs as Ivy League schools.</p>

<p>*Note that a personal bias could be included since I will be attending next year.</p>

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<p>JHU is a safety school for HYP applicants. Columbia is significantly better than JHU. Dartmouth, Brown, and UPenn are marginally better. Cornell is about equal.</p>

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<p>For whatever their worth, here are some rankings:
[National</a> Universities Rankings - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings]National”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings)
above Brown and Cornell and below the rest.</p>

<p>[World’s</a> Best Universities: Top 400 - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-universities/2010/02/25/worlds-best-universities-top-400.html]World’s”>http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-universities/2010/02/25/worlds-best-universities-top-400.html)
Above Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell, below the rest.</p>

<p>[ARWU</a> 2009](<a href=“http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp]ARWU”>http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2009.jsp)
Above Dartmouth and Brown, below the rest.</p>

<p>[Tech’s</a> 29 Most Powerful Colleges - Galleries - The Daily Beast](<a href=“http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/1578/1/?redirectURL=http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-03/techs-29-most-powerful-colleges/]Tech’s”>http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/1578/1/?redirectURL=http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-03/techs-29-most-powerful-colleges/)
Above UPenn, Columbia, Brown and Cornell, below the rest.</p>

<p><a href=“http://mup.asu.edu/research2008.pdf[/url]”>http://mup.asu.edu/research2008.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
Above Princeton, Dartmouth, Brown and Cornell, below the rest.</p>

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<p>Except USNEWS ll those are “university wide” ranks, not undergraduate ranks so they aren’t relevant. I would place JHU close to Cornell. And I have no idea why Drought thinks Columbia is so much better than Brown, Dartmouth, or Penn. They’re all about the same, I would say in many ways (placement of grads) Columbia performs on the lower end of those schools.</p>

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<p>Slipper, JHU’s undergraduate population is on par with Princetion and Yale, I believe, and slightly above Dartmouth’s. Schools like Penn with larger population were able to translate its graduate/professional prestige into undergraduate prestige, but JHU has not been as successful. I think that undergaduate admission and fincancial aid play a very important role.</p>

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<p>Sorry Professor1010 do you mean JHU’s GRADUATE population is on par with Princeton and Yale? Because in terms of Undergrad population I would say that is absolutely not the case. Dartmouth, Columbia, Penn et all have stronger UNDERGRAD populations by a decent margin.</p>

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<p>So much ignorance on CC, it is really sad. HYP are significantly superior to the remaining 5 Ivies, all of which are excellent to the same degree, and no better than the likes of Cal, Caltech, Chicago, Duke, Johns Hopkins etc… When I hear somebody say that Cornell is somehow weaker than Columbia, Dartmouth and Penn, all I can do is shake my head at the ignorance.</p>

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<p>“Shake shake shake shake a-shake it!”</p>

<p>I think it’s really not that simple. Having met many an Ivy League brat, I feel the TOP parts of all Ivies will have equally amazing students. It’s really just a question of how steeply it falls off from the top…</p>

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<p>JHU is NOT a safety school for HYP applicants… maybe its a back up school but “safety” implies that HYP cantidates will automatically get in. This year, JHU waitlisted many extremely qualified applicants maybe because they knew certain applicants were using it as an Ivy backup. I honestly also think JHU is kind of underrated. People give it credit for being amazing in med but it has other great programs. Overall, I think it is on par with the lower Ivies.</p>

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<p>While I’m not a big fan of Johns Hopkins, to claim that it is not a peer of the non-HYP Ivies would be ignorant. For the life of me, I can’t understand why people have to draw these distinctions between the Top 20 schools. I would concur with claims that the HYPSM student bodies would rank highest, but the differences after that from U Penn all the way to Notre Dame (# 20) would be indistinguishable.</p>

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<p>There’s no need to bash Johns Hopkins. Regardless of it’s rank or comparison with the ivies, it’s still a fantastic school and nobody should be ashamed to go there.</p>

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<p>Peer Assessment Score:
Columbia: 4.6
Cornell: 4.5
Johns Hopkins: 4.5
Penn: 4.5
Brown: 4.4
Dartmouth 4.3</p>

<p>Fiske
Brown *****
Columbia *****
Cornell *****
Dartmouth *****
Johns Hopkins *****
Penn *****</p>

<p>I don’t see how Johns Hopkins trails any of the non-HYP Ivies.</p>

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<p>I believe the HYP ivies also have 5 stars by Fiske…so there is no distinction there either.</p>

<p>Also, CU does have a higher PA score, so your comment is not completely accurate.</p>

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<p>trollnyc, there is no difference between 4.5 and 4.6. Do you think Columbia is superior to Dartmouth? Or Cal superior to Columbia?</p>

<p>JHU is every bit as good as the non HYP Ivies.</p>

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Sorry, Slipper1234 if I confused you. By population, I mean the number of undergraduate students, not student quality.</p>

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<p>I noticed you didn’t answer my question? Anyway, you attempted to show “objective” criteria to prove your point and now seem to backtrack!? Well, then a PA score of 4.8 would then be the same of a 4.7 then, correct? I don’t get the arbitrary distinctions because you and others choose to make a distinction between all these schools. Without question, Harvard is above all. The fact that a PA score might state otherwise is irrelevant…</p>

<p>Be consistent in your analysis.</p>

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<p>trollnyc, how was I inconsitant? And pray tell what question was posed in post #15 that required an answer because I only saw statements but no questions.</p>

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<p>“Dartmouth, Columbia, Penn et all have stronger UNDERGRAD populations by a decent margin.” I completely agree with slipper.</p>

<p>“I feel the TOP parts of all Ivies will have equally amazing students. It’s really just a question of how steeply it falls off from the top…” This is absolutely the case.</p>