Jobs & Classes & Misc

<p>Hm, a decent ramble of questions.</p>

<li><p>What % of underclassmen (freshmen, especially) work part-time at the school? And how are the jobs - what local stores, restaurants do people work at? Also, how is working at labs for professors or work-study at Penn? What opportunities are there over the summer? How’s the pay? </p></li>
<li><p>For current students - how much time do the intro science courses (physics, chem, bio) take up in terms of lab hours and p. sets? And which would you recommend to take first semester frosh year? If you’ve got 5s on all the science courses, should you skip ahead - or retake the course at the college with the better environment and such? </p></li>
<li><p>Printers. Buy your own (<$99) and bring it to school? If you don’t - how much does the school charge to print per sheet.?</p></li>
<li><p>Looking back on first semester freshman year - (I’m going into SAS) - how difficult would the workload be with 5 courses? I’m definitely thinking of double majoring, so I want to get a head start on credits. </p></li>
<li><p>Lastly, how much junk did you really lug to school? (Suitcases, boxes)</p></li>
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<p>1)Don't know how many people work but there's tons of work-study and other work available on campus. Check:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.sfs.upenn.edu/seo/studentsjobs.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.sfs.upenn.edu/seo/studentsjobs.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>3) Bring your own printer. Its just way more convenient.</p>

<p>5) My son took: </p>

<p>1 full size suitcase plus about 20 "nice" shirts, 5 nice pants & 2 blazers on hangers. 2 pairs of sneaks (1 for crew, 1 that never gets wet), 2 pairs "nice" shoes
Basic entertainment - DVD/CD player, bookshelf speakers, integrated amp, sub, iPod, PS2.
4 of those file boxes full of misc. stuff - reference books, CDs, DVDs, toilet articles, laundry materials, iron, gross of pencils, couple dozen ball-points, 5 reams of paper (all used up) and printer carts.
Bedding we carried "loose" - 2 pillows, a couple sets of sheets, comforter, towels.</p>

<p>Powerbook G4, printer, assorted cables.</p>

<p>that stuff, plus mom, dad and student <em>just</em> fits in a BMW 5er.</p>

<p>I can answer some of your questions:</p>

<p>(1) I would say that about 50% of freshman work. Most of those working are doing work-study which entitles you to all different types of job across the campus--ex: office work in virtually every department at Penn; research for professors in both science and non-science departments; some office and/or research jobs at HUP & CHOP (Penn's health system); working in the libraries, dining halls, commissaries, in the college houses, and at the student union. Working at labs or just researching for professors is good, especially if you have a specific interest in their research area; it gives you a mentor within the department who can often recommend classes, majors etc. In recent years, I haven't heard of people earning less than $8-9/hr and usually its more than that, especially if you're working for a professor. Money is kind of a tradeoff sometimes--there are lots of work study jobs that involve little work and students just sit around studying on the job, these tend to pay a little bit less.</p>

<p>In terms of non-work study jobs around campus, not many people tend to do those. There isn't a whole lot of hiring going on for part-time waiters and cashiers--mostly because all the surrounding businesses have full time employees [and there are so many restaurants opening and closing every year, it would be hard to keep a stable job]. Some people who want/need to earn more money than work study will pay [or aren't work study eligible], tend to get jobs as waiters, bartenders etc in Center City--they tend to make great money due to tips, particularly at the upscale restaurants.</p>

<p>(3) I would buy a cheap printer and bring it. Printing around campus isn't that expensive (about 10 cents/page--may even be 7 cents) but its kind of a hassle. If you're in the library or in the Wharton building, printing is convenient; otherwise its a hassle. Theoritically you can always print in your college houses' computer lab but those labs aren't always open at the hours that they're supposed to be open or often, they are open but so packed with students working on group projects that you have to wait a while just to get a computer. I'm thinking you're an SAS student--printing will be a hassle because all your classes won't be in 1 particular building and not every building has a computer lab.</p>

<p>(4) Most frosh in all the schools take 5 classes first semester. For many, they only need to take 5 for 1 or 2 semesters and are then down to 4 due to APs. 5 is manageable [depending on what those classes are--if you're taking organic chem your first semester, certainly you wouldn't take 5]. However, 4 is much easier and less stressful--you have time to acclimate to college and still keep up with school without the constant stress of grades. If you only have to take 5 classes for 1-2 semesters, you may consider taking just 4 in the fall and then 5 in the spring. Again, all of this depends on the specific classes--if you have some sense of what you're taking, post it and I'm sure people will offer advice.</p>

<p>(5) My advice--bring as little as possible because you accumulate a TON of junk over the year [and you add to it every single year]. I think its sufficient to bring like 2 big suitcases and a duffel bag for clothing--this can encompass clothing for all seasons; and the duffel bag will be handy for weekend trips. I wouldn't bring a ton of HS stuff--lots of people bring boxes & boxes of pictures, yearbooks, notes from AP classes which go unused etc; if you must have some HS stuff, over the summer, condense your most important pics etc. into 1-2 albums and don't bring HS notes--if you find that you absolutely must have them, your parents can send them or you can get them at Fall Break or Thanksgiving. The less you bring the happier you will be at move in & move out--and believe me, you rarely say 'oh i wish i had brought that thing from home.'</p>

<p>Hope this helps. Feel free to post other questions.</p>

<p>Wow. That was a big help - thank you so much for your responses. </p>

<p>In terms of courseload first semester:
Writing Seminar Course
Math 114 (with BC Calc 5 hopefully)
Physics or Bio Intro Course
Intro to Italian
Either Econ 101 or Econ 1 depending on my AP scores </p>

<p>-Does Penn supply telephones? or should we bring our own?
-How comfortable are the beds - should we bring a matress pad?</p>

<p>With that courseload you should be fine. </p>

<p>Just make sure you look at the syllabus of the writing sem you pick.. some can be incredibly easy (like mine: Personal Experience and Political Protest with Jarrett Anthony.. highly recommended) or like my roomate's.. she wanted to kill herself. </p>

<p>Math was hard, not going to lie, but the curve wasn't too bad.. I got just a little below average on all 3 exams and came out with a B. </p>

<p>Bio will be harder than physics, especially if you already took AP Physics (it's a complete repeat, and actually much easier than C.. it's basically Physics B)</p>

<p>Lanauage classes in general are pretty easy from what I've heard, just time consuming with busy work.</p>

<p>Econ 001 is a bit of a pain I've heard.. I took econ 002 first semester (placed out of 1 with AP) and it was easy and pretty interesting.</p>

<p>As for telephones, no they don't supply one.. and even if you don't hook one up they will still charge you $8 a month. </p>

<p>Beds are typical.. most people bring egg crates or pillowtop things. I had an egg crate and it worked fine.</p>

<p>hi,
i'm a rising sophomore majoring in chem engg, thought i'd try and help you out wrt to your math and phys question: math 114 off-season (first semester was supposedly really hard, but it was pretty easy second sem. why do you want to skip 104? if you've done the material, its an easy A.
wrt to physics, i found 151 much easier than 150. of course it also depends on the professor; Kikkawa and Drndic are AMAZING.</p>

<p>hope that helps, welcome to penn;)</p>

<p>hehe, I found 150 tons easier than 151.. whatever you do, don't take Thomson! I had her for 151 and she was terrible.. I had Johnson for 150 and liked him though.. highly recommend Drndic if she's teaching again.</p>

<p>Yeah, lots of my friends had Thomson, they had a really bad time with her too. I was in Drndic's class, and though a lot of pl didn't like her too much, I thought she was great. She was always willing to help; since I really suck at physics I needed it. And she's a very nice person as well...I mean, since I did well in her class and got to know her pretty well, recs were easy to come by. I know she's teaching 150 next sem, though I had her for 151, I'm sure she'd be great for 150 as well...so I definitely recommend her as well.</p>

<p>thomson is AWFUL. i had williams, who was decent, and doug durian for 150. he's the MAN! :)</p>

<p>What about honors physics? How is 170 and 171?</p>

<p>Stay away from the honors. Farrrr away. They're ridiculous (though i've heard 170 isn't horrible.. 171 is just insane)</p>

<p>How exactly are they insane? Material? Amount of work required?</p>

<p>I guess since I am flying in from Texas, I guess I'll bring two suitcases for clothes and bedding, and maybe I'll ship assorted things a couple of days before I arrive so that it will already be there when get there.
I see advice posted above for people that are driving, but what about us folks who are flying in? I really don't want to bring anything except clothes. I'll buy extra things when I get there.
Any suggestions?</p>

<p>I know the rooms are wired for cable and phone service, but are they also wired for internet access, or do we have to use a dial-up connection with our standard phone lines in the rooms?</p>

<p>thomas, rooms are all wired with high speed internet connection, with several ports in most rooms</p>

<p>I know pretty much everything was covered already, but just to add my two cents on the printer issue... definitely bring your own printer, as it is very convenient (and sometimes more reliable) than relying on computer labs. However, I'd also recommend using the computer labs to print off articles and stuff that are assigned reading, as you don't want to waste your own ink/paper. At 5 cents a sheet in the res halls (and I think elsewhere), it's not too expensive, and it definitely beats using up your own supplies and having to pay another 30 bucks for an ink cartridge.</p>

<p>I'll answer these questions from my point of view. </p>

<ol>
<li><p>I'd say about 60% of freshmen have jobs, most of them being work study. There are plenty of work study jobs available for those who qualify. Pay is usually pretty good. I got around $8 an hour to sit at a desk and do hw. </p></li>
<li><p>Physics and Chemistry both have about 4-6 hours of lecture a week and 2-3 hours in the lab. I'd recommend 101 and 102 for Chem and 150 and 151 for Physics if you have a solid foundation in calculus. This year I believe physics is 140 and 141, without labs (LUCKY!). Skip ahead only if you feel 100% comfortable with the material or don't feel like you'd benefit from having it at the college level. You'll probably be able to skip the lecture part, but you'll need to take the labs still. </p></li>
<li><p>Printing on campus is very accessible and cheap (you can find a few free printing stations). I have my own printer as well just for ease. </p></li>
<li><p>5 credits is definitely doable in any school. For SAS, it's usually a little easier than Wharton/Engineering just because you have a little more freedom. </p></li>
<li><p>Don't bring too much junk, but bring what you need to make your dorm feel like home.</p></li>
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<p>Thanks, krtrumpet! :D</p>

<p>If one does not get work-study as part of the financial aid package, is it still easy to find a part time job? Some of the ones listed as part of in SFS's SEO are kind of out of the way and off campus. </p>

<p>Also, how many wireless connection sites are there on campus? And do people actually bring their laptops to class to take notes on?</p>

<p>most jobs state that "work study students are preferred" but if you are not work study you still have a chance.</p>

<p>also, penn is currently working on expanding their wireless network. current wireless locations include the entire engineering complex, van pelt-dietrich library, fischer fine arts library, college green, houston hall, huntsman, etc. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.upenn.edu/computing/wireless/maps/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.upenn.edu/computing/wireless/maps/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>some people do bring their laptops to class to take notes (aka play solitaire), but most find the basic pen and paper to be more convenient and easier. you'll have enough notes posted on class web pages to keep you busy.</p>