johns hopkins vs northwestern

Colleges and Universities A-Z Johns Hopkins University
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<p>“I guess I’m supposed to be impressed – yet I’m not. Let’s face it, hospital size and quality are of relatively little importance in medical admissions. As long as there are enough spots to go around, either university would work perfectly fine for applicants. Admissions officers do not pull out USNWR ranking of hospitals when evaluating medical experience.”</p>

<p>oh yeah, im sure both schools would have enough resources to go around for your everyday medical school. if you want to do some really cool stuff in medicine, or perhaps lay down some groundwork for academic medicine or public-health related applications in medicine, you should come to hopkins! btw you should be impressed. i mention better and larger facilities because more cutting edge research is done here (clinical, translational, bench). also, you’ll see a greater range of research and clinical ops because of the many clinics and centers here (in addition to the main hospital departments) for patients with different illnesses. also, quality does matter - it attracts the best doctors, researchers, and the most interesting cases (again, relevant to shadowing, volunteering, and research). the resources here allow for a more diversified or target application, depending on your interests. </p>

<p>“I think you would agree that it is not all about location. After all, Emory’s location literally next door to the CDC and near the American Cancer Society easily trumps JHU’s location. Would you recommend Emory over Hopkins for pre-med? (I would, but that’s neither here nor there.).”</p>

<p>i didn’t say anything about location. and you would recommend emory over hopkins for premed based on what, exactly? as the number 1 funded institution for research in america, with a great med and pub health school, you wont find a lack of cancer (kimmel cancer center, rated in top 5) and disease (lol lots of departments could fit here, and hopkins would be at the top for all of them) research at hopkins haha.</p>

<p>“Most importantly, keep in mind that Northwestern has fewer pre-meds than Hopkins, both in raw numbers and especially per capita. Northwestern’s hospital is certainly large enough for plenty of opportunities, and if not – they’re in Chicago. There are plenty of hospitals to be found.”</p>

<p>***lol you act as if jhu has millions more premed that nw. check out the data for '08:
source: [Table</a> 2: Undergraduate Institutions Supplying Applicants to U.S. Medical Schools, by Applicant Race and Ethnicity - FACTS - AAMC](<a href=“http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2008/race.htm]Table”>http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2008/race.htm)</p>

<h1>white applicants (northwestern, jhu): 161, 141</h1>

<h1>asian applicants: (149, 160)</h1>

<h1>black applicants (18, 26)</h1>

<h1>mexican applicants (5, 8)</h1>

<h1>hispanic applicants (13, 30)</h1>

<p>TOTAL: 346 from nw versus 365 from hopkins. ~20 more premeds, big deal? hopkins has far more/better resources than nw for premeds. plus we have one of the best advising teams in the nation, and reps from the medical school (plus a lot of other schools ranging from umdnj to duke to stanford) come down to give speeches and presentations regularly. there is pretty decent recruiting on campus. in fact, one of the people i shadowed this summer was initiated through a contact i made at one of annual the pre-health conferences where tons of med schools, pub health schools, do schools, podiatry, dentistry, pharm, etc, set up booths and hand stuff out. a few friends have even gotten summer internships through these contacts.</p>

<p>the dean or former dean of the school of medicine prepares the medical school presentation given to juniors and those applying to the next cycle (in addition to the pre med advisers) . also, i don’t know what percentage of nw students even use the med school resources. how hard is it to get to the med campus? is there a shuttle?***</p>

<p>On a final note, I’ll point out that Dartmouth has a higher medical school placement rate than Hopkins, and it’s in rural New Hampshire.</p>

<p>links please? i don’t know if this is true…i don’t have data on this. either way, just looking at placement rate alone doesn’t tell you anything. what if dartmouth students had higher tests scores or gpas (more grade inflation)? what if more students with (much) lower numbers try applying from jhu because they have better med related ecs from coming from hopkins? you have to look at placement rates for students with similar applications from both schools for placement rates to be relevant to this discussion. also, dartmouth has a med school and hospital right there on campus so students woul not lack the bare minimum ops to get into your average med school.</p>

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<p>i’m not saying nw is terrible for premed, im saying as an institution, hopkins has far more resources available and there are plenty of cool things going on that you can get involved with, thanks to things like med tutorials (does nw have these?).</p>

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How often does that happen among undergraduates?</p>

<p>One of my friends was a biology major who published in Nature, for example, but I would hardly say that was common. Realistically, most undergraduates (wherever they are) are not going to be at the cutting edge of research. </p>

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And yet, no matter how you slice the pie, Northwestern does just as well in medical school placement and Goldwater production.</p>

<p>This is always a touchy subject among Hopkins students, because although they deny it, they are fiercely proud of their reputation of a great pre-med school. It’s one of the very few fields (besides IR, writing, and the related BME) in which Hopkins can attempt to stake a #1 claim. The simple fact of the matter is, however, that many other top universities are just as good.</p>

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<p>"How often does that happen among undergraduates?</p>

<p>One of my friends was a biology major who published in Nature, for example, but I would hardly say that was common. Realistically, most undergraduates (wherever they are) are not going to be at the cutting edge of research."

lol i have plenty of friends working in highly productive labs under famous PI’s. it’s not easy to do/get into, but if you’re going to have an opportunity to do such research, hopkins would be at the top of the list of places to do so.</p>

<p>besides, the number of students thinking about academic medicine and public health research down the road would dictate how many students are actually involved in the cutting edge research. the ops are there, regardless of the number of students pursuing them. it obviously takes a little luck and a lot of hard work and dedication to even be allowed to work in such labs.***</p>

<p>"And yet, no matter how you slice the pie, Northwestern does just as well in medical school placement and Goldwater production. "

idk about goldwaters, but i imagine the top students at both institutions would be comparable either way so that wouldn’t be too surprising.</p>

<p>and as far as placement rates, i have already stated that the resources at both would suffice for acceptance for regular medical schools. i realize you might have missed that because i edited a few things while you made your last post.***</p>

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<p>IBClass06, you speak about JHU staking a claim at being #1 in a few fields as if it were extremely common to be #1 in a few fields. I have yet to be able to think of any field in which Northwestern can stake a claim in being #1 in OTHER than journalism. Same for UChicago (other than economics), and schools like Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell (Hotel? agriculture? lol), Columbia ?, Penn (business), Duke (um…?).</p>

<p>JHU is probably one of the few prestigious private schools, along with Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton, and Yale that actually has credibly elite departments in areas like Writing, Public Health, BME, International Relations, Medicine in that they represent such a wide breadth of studies and areas of interest. However, you also have amazing programs in music, english/history, economics, biology, etc which are definitely comparable to schools like Dartmouth, Cornell, etc.</p>

<p>Sure, JHU is not Harvard or MIT, but it is probably just as close, if not closer, to being right up there as schools like Northwestern, Uchicago, etc.</p>

<p>Anyways, I don’t think I really need to defend how great of a school JHU is. Its history, prestige, academics, faculty, students, and reputation truly speaks for itself. I absolutely and truly love it here on so many different levels that to me, there is no other school in the world but JHU.</p>

<p>but of course, that’s my opinion :wink: just as you have yours, which may be equally as incorrect :)</p>

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Precisely. If you read my posts, I made no claim that Northwestern was stronger than Hopkins.</p>

<p>What I did claim was that Northwestern is by no means a weaker university, and I firmly stand by that.</p>

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Then I suggest you read up on the school. Chicago has a strong claim to #1 status in Musicology, Religion, Anthropology, Sociology, Ecology/Evolutionary Biology, Middle/Near Eastern Studies, and several interdisciplinary fields (e.g. Gender Studies). If we’re willing to play a bit fast and loose with the rankings (i.e. Hopkins claiming #1 in medicine and writing), then Chicago could claim even more fields.</p>

<p>I’m not really sure what your point is, as I’m sure you’re not foolish enough to insinuate that Hopkins is a stronger university than Chicago.</p>

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<p>Hope2getrice,</p>

<p>Perhaps you should do more research; Northwestern is #1 in marketing and top-3 in material sciences and engineering.</p>

<p>Perhaps you should also look at the 2010 USN rankings for JHU before you put JHU and HYPMS in the same sentence while excluding others: </p>

<p>Bio 6th, chem 28th, math 21st, phys 20th, econ 25th, english 13th, history 9th, poli sci 39th, psych 23rd, sociology 25th </p>

<p>The rankings in general don’t reach the level of HYPMS. These fields represent what I consider, in your own words, “wide breadth of studies and areas of interest”. On the other hand, “medicine, public health, and BME” don’t count in my book. They are all medical-related.</p>

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<p>in terms of schools, not departments, these are strengths:
school of medicine - #2,
school of nursing #4,
school of public health - #1,
school of advanced international studies- #1,
school of education - #7,
undergraduate schools - #14
peabody institute - no rank? but it is a prestigious music conservatory. it is up there with julliard and the curtis institute, apparently?? im not sure.</p>

<p>other:
jhu apl - something to do with nasa and the government…</p>

<p>area(s) hopkins is now developing:
carey business school - two years old, no rank. cant remember where I saw this but a goal of theirs is to somehow get into the top 20 very quickly. i may be confusing this with one of the new cali law schools, but im thinking both schools have stated this.</p>

<p>jhu lacks:
law school, divinity school (for some reason, people on this site mention religion department ranks as strengths…im confused about how/why religion schools get ranked), </p>

<p>hopkins has 9 schools; 8 are solid and prestigious, 1 is a baby. as a whole i don’t think we have enough depth at the graduate level (due to no law and divinity schools, plus a baby business school) to be up there with HYPblahblah whatever, but hopkins is a solid school. end of story. close thread. !!jhu>>>>nw!!
hahahaha</p>

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Be careful not to confuse religion/religious studies with divinity/theological studies. It’s like attempting to say biology and medicine are the same thing.</p>

<p>In any case, divinity schools are professional schools just like any other. Instead of physicians, musicians, or politicians, they’re producing religious scholars and clergy.</p>

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<p>hopefully not too much off topic. I’m interested in both JHU and Northwestern too. Both seem great but I’m also attracted to small LAC’s because of the chance for smaller classes at first and maybe more interaction with profs. i’m not premed so I am hoping to study with great humanities, film and writing teachers. any advice welcome. thanks!</p>

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<p>Hopkins’ Writing Sems department is considered one of the top 2 in the country. As far as size goes, Northwestern enrolls nearly twice as many undergrads at Hopkins; Hopkins is about 4600, Northwestern is a little over 8000.</p>

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<p>Personally, I put Hopkins above Northwestern. Hopkins is just such an all-around powerhouse. Even my friend from Harvard says that Hopkins is “the bomb!”</p>

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Both have great humanities. JHU has a big lead in creative writing; Northwestern has a big lead in journalism and film.</p>

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To be more specific:</p>

<p>Business: Northwestern lead
Humanities: JHU lead
Engineering: Northwestern lead
Journalism: Northwestern lead
Music: Tie
Public Health: JHU lead
Sciences: JHU lead
Social Sciences: Northwestern lead</p>

<p>I personally consider the two to be peers in every aspect.</p>

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<p>From a purely academic perspective, it’s a win-win because both schools are top flight.
When other factors are considered, for most kids I would strongly recommend Northwestern over Hopkins: Evanston and Chicago are infinitely more appealing than Baltimore; being part of the Big 10 is a blast; and notwithstanding NU students’ self-deprecating references to “Nerdwestern,” NU generally offers a better and more balanced social life.
But it’s a very personal and very subjective evaluation. There is no better test for any prospective student than to spend a day and overnight at each school and attend a couple of classes. Then go to whichever school feels like more of a fit and where you’ll be the happiest.</p>