They will settle, and it will hurt. They look bad already, so I doubt they want to appeal and duke it out in public again.
And no, if they appeal they do not pay yet.
cptofthehouse: A "lesser" appellant would likely be required to "bond over" their current liability.
Oh, I think that now that the super high verdict and super duper punatives are in, there will be a settlement to avoid the lengthy appeal. There was nothing in it for the bakery to settle this week when they were on a roll.
Where was the trial held? How far from Oberlin?
Backyard.
Because of the potential for an appeal, the case can be settled now, but Oberlin would have to pay out a large portion of the damages awarded.The plaintiffs usually take part rather than risking losing all or most on appeal. Maybe Oberlin thinks they will look better by appealing and conceding nothing.Obviously, they could have settled this before or during trial for way less.
These schools have huge endowments from selling places. HYP all have $25B+. Maybe Oberlin will have to admit some more developmental cases or whatever that is called.
Scoreboard
Townies - 33,000,000
Entitled SJWs - 0
Speaking of scoreboards:
The big winner in all this? Lee Plakas
(The Gibsons are just receiving what is due them.)
I’m guessing that Lee Plakas deserves every cent he earns on this case. Cannot have been easy to take on the big guy (Oberlin) and it could possibly have cost him other clients.
Of course, I have no idea if he was receiving any funding from outside groups - I’m assuming that like most plaintiff’s attorneys, he took this as a contingent case.
I still can’t believe no one at Oberlin has been terminated. At this point, some of the blame has to be shared with the Board of Trustees.
The other shoe will drop, when we see how it impacts next years enrollment numbers (it’s too late in the cycle to have much impact on this year’s numbers). They may need to significantly increase scholarship funding to keep enrollment steady.
Oberlin may not be top 50, but it has a 33% admissions rate.I doubt they have a problem keeping up enrollment.
I guess I should be even more skeptical about the quality of Oberlin’s outside legal team since it appears they don’t know the difference between less and fewer!
Defense attorney Rachelle Kuznicki argued…"This will impact people who had nothing to do with the protest …, it also means less students who are not able to afford a college education will be able to do so.”
It HAD a 33% admissions rate. It remains to be seen what will happen with that
Sattut - if history is any guide, Oberlin will have significant and immediate matriculation problems. They already are down 170 students over the past two years, and will likely face declining enrollments the next two years, particularly given their already questionable value proposition. Of course, there are numbers behind the numbers, because a decrease in full pay or near full pay students will realy hurt. Oberlin is in sad shape. They will appeal, but appealing will only keep their awful behavior in the press. What is interesting to me here is how ordinary working people such as those on the jury react when they come across elitist hard leftists sworn to identity politics. Ordinary people it appears find these elitists deplorable. I am not surprised.
@Sattut this is from the president's testimony yesterday:
From an article in the Toledo paper:
Interesting that 90% of the students receive aid.
Wow, 44M. That’s what punitive awards are for, not for the guy who leaves a rake in his yard that someone steps on, but for when a big institution puts its weight behind bullying, intimidating, and trying to ruin a family business that did nothing wrong.
Point of clarification re: Comment #109.
Oberlin is tied for #30 in U.S. News and World Report, National Liberal Arts Colleges.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/oberlin-college-3086
It shares that ranking with Kenyon College, Mount Holyoke College, Scripps College, and the U.S. Air Force Academy.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges
My student is a rising senior and she is seriously considering Oberlin.
I also have to say that I visited Gibson’s when we visited Oberlin College for the first time back in mid-March. I thought Gibson’s was a charming little business and perfect for the town of Oberlin. It advertised in its candy case that many of the filled chocolates were VEGAN, which said to me that they know their Oberlin customer base! I am sorry it has come to this and hope that the relationship between the business and the college community can be repaired.
Re post #114. 90% of Oberlin students may be receiving aid, but for a large number of those students (close to 40% of those receiving aid) it’s not need based. According to their 2018-19 Common Data Set, out of 804 first year students 425 were determined to have financial need and those needs were covered 100%, however Oberlin also awarded non-need based aid to 276 additional students, and those awards averaged $18,961. In other words Oberlin is giving out substantial merit awards to attract students. These are not students who would not be able to attend college without aid from Oberlin.
The jury was made up of “townies” and the store owners were townies. There could be a history there of how they were treated by the students and faculty of the elite progressive school.
In the incident, the member of the family that owned the store caught the underrepresented minority student shop lifting. The student then knocked him to the ground as the student and two females with the student beat and kicked the store proprietor. Presumably they could have been charged with robbery or other more serious charges if they had plead not guilty.
Exactly, so slightly less than half are full pay, i.e., the top ~5/10 percenters.