<p>marny1, I'm looking to learn more about the ILR program. What are your daughter's career goals? How did she know as a high school student that she wanted to pursue such a specific major? Has she given you an idea of the jobs that ILR majors have snagged right after graduation? I've read the school's literature and had an in depth discussion with their admin but would like to hear the "real poop" about where these graduates wind up, how wide or narrow a range of companies recruit them, whether business or law school are almost a necessary next step... you get my point. The specialization of this program concerns me. Thank you.</p>
<p>Hi worrywort- ILR is a very specialized program. And to be totally honest she really didn't make her final decision until April of her senior year. She could have just as easily been a psychology major at CMU or Rochester. She did study the curriculum carefully and realized she would be taking a lot of econ courses, history, social sciences- but she always enjoyed her history classes in HS and knew this curric. would work for her. She saw there were few (if any) math and science courses- so that too was a plus for her. She is completing her soph year and is truly happy with ILR. Is planning to do a study abroad semester next year and is seriously considering taking LSAT's next summer. I do not know if business or law school is "necessary" but it does seem like a lot of ILR kids go that route. If ILR doesn't work out for you, there are plenty of other programs at Cornell to transfer into. But for my d, this really is a great program. Good luck!</p>
<p>marny1, where is your daughter planning to study abroad? And what courses is she going to take there? I really want to study abroad my junior year but I'm really torn on where I should go.</p>
<p>worry wart - I am currently a junior in ilr. I'll try to answer your questions. </p>
<p>What are your career goals? Stay at cornell for a master's in ILR and then go into organizational behavior consulting. If I like it, i'll stay if not I'll probably go onto law school. I dont want to be a lawyer, but i'd like to teach undergraduates law. </p>
<p>How did she know as a high school student that she wanted to pursue such a specific major? ILR is the most diverse major at Cornell!!</p>
<p>Has she given you an idea of the jobs that ILR majors have snagged right after graduation? ILR gradutates are in very high demand in the job market. The average ILR graduate receives between 2 and 4 job offers right before they graduate. The average salary is around $46,000 with a $5,000 sign on bonus. ILR graduates go into many diverse fields ranging from business, finance, IBanking, organizational consluting, human resource management, teaching, international relations, law, and the list goes on and on. There are a tremendous amount of companies that actively recruit at the ilr school and the degree itself is very valued in the job market. The career services office also does a tremendous job helping students get the internships and jobs they need. </p>
<p>"would like to hear the "real poop" about where these graduates wind up, how wide or narrow a range of companies recruit them" I'm giving you honest answers from an individual with plenty of knowledge and experience in ilr. :) </p>
<p>"whether business or law school are almost a necessary next step." About 50% of ilr graduates enter the work force from graduation. I dont know how this compares to national figures, but I think it's alot to say when 22 year old ILR graduates start out being paid the national average of all working people in the US. Roughly 30% of ilr grads go onto law school after they graduate. ILR boasts close to a 100% acceptance rate into law school, the highest in the country. About 20% go on for advanced degrees in other fields (ranging from MS in ILR at Cornell to MBA or PhD programs). </p>
<p>"The specialization of this program concerns me." ILR really isn't as specialized as you would think. I honestly belive it's the most diverse major at Cornell. There are a handful of required courses, after which your daughter can most anything she wants. The ILR curriculum is very flexible and allows students to specialized in their particular career interests (whether it be HR, law, business, international relations, etc). She will be able to take up to classes in all of the schools at Cornell, she will not be restricted to just ilr. Say she was interested in the international politics of Mexico and the US: she could take spanish classes in arts and sciences, government classes in arts and sciences, ilr offers a few classes on the political map of mexico as well as classes on the economics of Mexico. The same could be true for dozens of other fields (including some you may not think about such as economics, history, political science, etc). </p>
<p>If you have any other ilr questions, let me know!</p>
<p>"ILR boasts close to a 100% acceptance rate into law school, the highest in the country."</p>
<p>Do you have any stats to back that up? International Relations at JHU boasts close to a 100% acceptence rate. And I'm guessing Georgetown SFS would too.</p>
<p>I think gomestar covered all the bases. But to Tun and others interested in study abroad. ILR has there own study abroad advisor- I believe every college at Cornell has a study abroad advisor too. At ILR it is Kevin Harris (??). Cornell has a great study abroad website- but the ILR advisor will give you some direction as to how to find an acceptible program which somewhat mirrors your course of study in ILR. My d was able to find one in Italy where classes are taught in English. She will be taking courses in International business/relations. And this program has been "approved" by ILR. And the best part (at least for me and hubby) is that we are going to visit her next year and finally see Venice (before it goes underwater).</p>
<p>dean of ILR told me. My ILR law professor also said this. In fact, my law professor said he's never written a recomendation for somebody and they found out they havn't gotten in to at least one of the schools they applied to. </p>
<p>This isn't advertised in the little viewbook and I hope it never is. Don't come to ILR with only the intention of getting into law school. I think many students will see this and think "hey! this is an easy way into law school, i'll go here!" Neither the faculty, administration, or students would like to see these types of students in ilr.</p>
<p>i should note that there is another alternative to the study abroad thing. They're credit-internships. Many of my friends will be doing these in the fall. They're usually full-semester internships that will give students ILR credit for one semester. Sometimes they are even paid. There are many available that students take advantage of.</p>
<p>gomestar, what is organizational behavior consulting? Sounds interesting.
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<p>marny1-Ah that's good to know. I was thinking about maybe studying abroad in Korea or Japan with Argentina as a third possibility.</p>
<p>gomestar-I want to do a study abroad thing because I'm intially thinking about doing something international so I want to get some exposure to the culture as well as the language in those three countries that I listed.</p>
<p>Thanks gomestar!</p>
<p>Can one study abroad AND do a credit internship?</p>
<p>The low yield rates that I am hearing about form many counties worry me. A lower yield will mean more waitlist acceptances, driving the acceptance rate up.</p>
<p>I'm sure it's nothing new and nothing to worry about. Just because we are finally experiencing it doesn't mean it doesn't happen year in and year out heh</p>
<p>leobag - organizational consulting is a very broad field. In its essence, it's how to organize a company to achieve maximum output. Organizational consultants (this might not be their exact title, forgive me if it's wrong) are hired by companies for help. </p>
<p>consultants advise a company on a number of different things. A few of them are: </p>
<p>leadership - how to be a strong and well-liked leader. This is especially important if a company is experiencing a change in management. They need to be taught how to "win over" the employees to prevent a low morale. </p>
<p>groups - groups are a great asset to a company, but they have to be formed correctly with the right people. The consultants will go through each employee to figure out which ones are right for the applicable job, and then will teach management how to utilize the group for its highest potential. </p>
<p>politics - it's hard to get ideas across in a highly political company. However, there are ways. consultants help groups or individuals get their ideas across to help the company</p>
<p>pay - say you want to reward your employees but you have a limited budget. There are other things you can do to maximize your dollar, consultants figure out what will work best to maximize the dollar with the highest amount of reward for the employees. This should boost the morale of the company and create higher output and production. </p>
<p>organizational structure - consultants will work through the web of an organizational heirarchy and move or promote certain people to position that will best suit their skill sets.</p>
<p>... so yeah, that's just a preview. Think the psychology of business. Hope this gives you an idea of what it is! I think it's interesting, we'll just have to wait and see!</p>
<p>First concrete description I've read. Thanks, sounds like it could be interesting.</p>
<p>"First concrete description I've read"</p>
<p>yeah, hence why I'm meeting with a few members of admissions next week to discuss how ilr and its departments are described to prospective students. I think the school can do a much better job. Maybe they'll trust me!</p>
<p>Make me proud! lol </p>
<p>They do a good job of saying what interests they promote (majors, etc...)and what to expect there...but I didn't know a lot about the stuff you just described, I just had to imagine it in my mind lol.</p>
<p>"The low yield rates that I am hearing about form many counties worry me. A lower yield will mean more waitlist acceptances, driving the acceptance rate up."</p>
<p>AJ can you provide a little more detail about this statement. I would greatly appreciate it.</p>
<p>"dean of ILR told me. My ILR law professor also said this. In fact, my law professor said he's never written a recomendation for somebody and they found out they havn't gotten in to at least one of the schools they applied to."</p>
<p>Gomestar, I think you're missing the point somewhat. Law school isn't like med school. It's not hard to get into [bold]a[/bold] law school. It's hard to get into a top ranked law school, which is very important career wise (whereas in med school, it doesnt matter as much where you went). ILR is a strong program, no doubt. But I'm a little doubtful that ILR has the best placement rate.. into the top programs. I think Columbia might own that title. JHU is not too shabby either.</p>
<p>JHU Most Frequently Attended Law Schools
1. Columbia
2. UVa
3. UMich
4. Georgetown
5. Stanford
6. Harvard
7. Maryland</p>