Just how far away is Allston?

<p>Hi guys,</p>

<p>I am soon going to be living in Allston, MA, near the Allston T Stop on the Green Line (B). I am wondering if any of you have a clue as to how long my commute will be in the morning (say, 7:30 a.m.) to MIT and in the evening from MIT (7:30 p.m., perhaps) to home. I'm thinking it'll be around 50 minutes. Is that a decent guess? I'm not in Boston yet, but I'm trying to brace myself for the harsh commute in the near future.</p>

<p>Please let me know if you have a good idea as to how long of a commute I'll have in the mornings and evenings---and if the time is also different for the weekends. Also, is Allston (near the Allston T Stop) a good neighborhood to live in? Are there things to do there? How far away from the city is it? Could I walk to MIT's campus in a shorter amount of time than the T would take?</p>

<p>Anyway, if you can answer any (or all!) of these questions, your help will be greatly appreciated!</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>Although I don't live there and can't help you with the neighborhood, I know there's a nice Trip Planner on the MBTA website where you can enter the address or T-stop where you want to start/end and the time/date and get a rough idea how your trip would go on various modes of public transit, if they run on schedule. </p>

<p>Choosing a random Sept. weekday at 7:30am, it's saying ~30 min. by bus or ~45 min. by T with a change at Park St., with the same T trip length/route on a return trip at 7:30pm and no evening bus option. (Changing the query to a weekend shows the same T trip, but no bus option either morning or evening.)</p>

<p>Mootmom,</p>

<p>Thanks so much. You're great!</p>

<p>-Tom</p>

<p>Being very familiar with the T, I'd add at least 15 minutes more onto the T ride, and it's also assuming that you get a Red Line train quickly at Park Street. I would estimate that the ride will take you 1-1 1/2 hours.</p>

<p>Up to 1.5 hours one way! OMG, NO! This is not good. I think I'm going to go off and cry now.</p>

<p>Can't I walk to MIT faster than that?!</p>

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<p>Personally, I would just get a car and rent an MIT parking spot. MIT is really not that far away if you can drive. Just think of all the time you would be wasting every day riding the T, and I think you could easily justify the costs of a car.</p>

<p>Sakky,</p>

<p>I'd absolutely do that if I just had the $$; but, alas, I don't.</p>

<p>I'm planning to move after the year is up to somewhere a lot closer, trust me.</p>

<p>Thanks for your help though.</p>

<p>-Tom</p>

<p>You can probably get extra money via school loans to buy a car, and then pay back some of it when you sell the car. </p>

<p>Sure, you will still have some debt left over, but I think this is one of the things that's worth going into debt for. Either that or at least moving somewhere that is either closer or more accessible to MIT via public transportation. You have to remember - time is money. You don't want to be burning up all this time just on a stupid commute, time that could be more productively spent doing useful work. Saving that time every day is, I think, something worth going into debt for.</p>

<p>I'm not sure a car is a reasonable solution. By the time you figure in the cost of buying a reasonably reliable car, insurance, gas, parking, upkeep it would probably be as much or more than a dorm room. Tom, are you an entering freshman? Even if you have family in the area, it would be much better for you to live on campus your first year. A lot of socializing and cooperative learning happens pretty late in the evening and you would not be part of that as a commuter. If you are not a freshman, maybe you could look into some of the independant living groups near campus.</p>

<p>In Allston and in Cambridge, a car is not a reasonable solution. Parking is extremely limited, and Boston driving has its horrible reputation for a good reason - it's valid! Besides, add in the time it'll take during some of our winters to shovel out your car, and you're still better off taking the T.</p>

<p>If there's any way for you to live closer to MIT, grab it.</p>

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I'm not sure a car is a reasonable solution. By the time you figure in the cost of buying a reasonably reliable car, insurance, gas, parking, upkeep it would probably be as much or more than a dorm room. Tom, are you an entering freshman? Even if you have family in the area, it would be much better for you to live on campus your first year. A lot of socializing and cooperative learning happens pretty late in the evening and you would not be part of that as a commuter. If you are not a freshman, maybe you could look into some of the independant living groups near campus

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If there's any way for you to live closer to MIT, grab it

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<p>I'm working under the assumption that he has to live where he said he will be. Maybe he's a grad student, maybe he's living with his family, who knows? Hey, if he can move somewhere closer, then by all means, do that instead. </p>

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In Allston and in Cambridge, a car is not a reasonable solution. Parking is extremely limited, and Boston driving has its horrible reputation for a good reason - it's valid!

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<p>Uh, Allston parking is actually rather reasonable around the Allston T. Parking in Allston is tough only around the BU area, which the Allston T is nowhere near. If you can get a street parking permit (which is elementary to get if you actually live in Allston), then parking is quite reasonable.</p>

<p>Parking in Cambridge is more difficult, but he wouldn't really be parking "in Cambridge". I would envision him paying for a parking space at MIT. Yes, that costs money, but see below. The drive from Allston to Cambridge is actually quite reasonable. You actually don't really hit any of the "real" Boston traffic at all, because you're not going downtown. You'd be crossing either the Western Ave bridge or the BU bridge into Cambridge. That's a pretty reasonable drive. </p>

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Besides, add in the time it'll take during some of our winters to shovel out your car, and you're still better off taking the T.

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By the time you figure in the cost of buying a reasonably reliable car, insurance, gas, parking, upkeep it would probably be as much or more than a dorm room

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<p>First off, about the whole snow-shoveling thing, well, how about standing around outside, freezing your rear-end off at the T-stop waiting for the streetcar to come in? Remember, past Kenmore, the Green Line stops are surface T- stops, open to the elements. I would far far prefer having to shovel my car out of the snow on the relatively few days when a snowstorm hits, then have to stand out there on a surface stop EVERY schoolday in the winter, freezing my rear-end off. Honestly, how many times do you have a snowstorm that is so bad that you actually need to shovel your car out? Once every few weeks - at most? Contrast that with standing out there at the T every day. Which one would you rather do? </p>

<p>The point of money was also raised. Sure, there's upkeep, there's gas, there's parking, there's all that other stuff you have to pay for. But on the other hand, I am contrasting the situation with boarding the Allston T every day. The truth is, anything on the Green Line West of Kenmore is simply ridiculously slow. Add up all the extra time you would spend in waiting around for the T and riding the T, and that time compensates for all of the charges you would pick up by having a car. Like I said before, time is money. Put another way, I would happily pay a good chunk of change if I could cut my commute time down by an hour (both ways). </p>

<p>The other advantage of the car is obviously that you can go places. For example, you can go to Walmart and load up on cheap stuff. You aren't stuck with paying confiscatory prices at the cornerstore. During vacation, you can drive to somewhere outside of Boston. For example, I remember a bunch of us wanting to see Superman Returns on IMAX-3D. The problem is that the only IMAX's who were showing the movie were in Reading and Natick, which are not accessible by public transit. (The IMAX theaters in the Museum of Science and the Aquarium only show documentaries.) So basically, you needed a car. It just so happens that I happened to have access to a car at the time, but the point is, if I didn't have that, we'd be screwed. The point is, a car means that you enjoy a greater variety of things to do. </p>

<p>But look, don't get me wrong. Again, I agree that if the guy can just move closeby, and specifically to a dorm, then he should just do that. I am working under the assumption that for whatever reason this is not an option, and he has to stay where he is. In that case, I think he is FAR better off in getting a car than in trying to take the T every day (especially during the winter), and better than trying to walk to school every day (again, especially during the winter).</p>

<p>I vote for a bike!</p>

<p>From Google Maps, it looks like it would be a bit of a ride, but if you can get to the west end of campus, you can take one of the free MIT shuttles that goes around.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, Allston is a lot farther from MIT than distance by as the crow flies would suggest.</p>

<p>I will be a first-year graduate student at MIT this fall. And I will be living off of my modest stipend ($27,400/yr), which MIT has given me. </p>

<p>I have chosen to live with some friends off-campus because MIT's graduate school housing is so exorbitantly priced that I would have next to nothing in my pocket if I chose to live in The Warehouse or Sid-Pac, for example. It turned out that my friend in the area could not find a better home (considering price, location, etc.) than the one in Allston. As such, I will definitely be living in Allston---at least for this first year (after which I'll try to find a place in Cambridge or nearby on the Red Line, as I will be able to scout out a home for myself).</p>

<p>I should also be a little bit more specific about the apartment we will be living in this fall. It is on Commonwealth Ave., and the Allston T Stop is literally right outside the door of the apartment. Parking in this area is $100/mo in addition to my rent, should I choose to purchase a car.</p>

<p>Also, texas137, I do realize that on some level I am missing out on the first-year social scene. I regret this, but only slightly. I will be on-campus at MIT for a good portion of everyday, so I do not feel as though I'll be missing out on too much. And, I also feel that being a first-year graduate student is far different from being a first-year undergraduate student. I've had a nice time as a first-year undergraduate socializing and doing the norm then, four years ago.</p>

<p>Does this help clarify my position a bit? Sorry that I was so uninformative in the original post.</p>

<p>Thanks, Mollie. Never thought of the bike deal. Might be a good idea, too. I just really, really, really don't want to freeze come winter!</p>

<p>You'll probably also be able to get advice from people in your program once you start -- a decent number of grad students live in Allston, since the stipend to Boston housing market ratio is... not good. :)</p>

<p>hahaha! Very true.</p>

<p>How possible is it to do some reading on the T during those commuting hours? I personally LOVE public transportation commutes, but I can't get them where I live now. I like to read and let someone else do the driving when the trip is always to the same place.</p>

<p>Paperbacks are OK - anything you can hold with one hand. If it's not rush hour, you very well may be able to get a seat and read. Most people do.</p>

<p>Oh, I'm glad this thread got bumped.</p>

<p>I forgot to add to Tom that, at least in the evenings past 6 PM (and you know you'll be in lab past 6 PM a lot! :)), you can take MIT's free shuttle [url=<a href="http://web.mit.edu/facilities/forms/Saferide_8_06.pdf%5DSaferide%5B/url"&gt;http://web.mit.edu/facilities/forms/Saferide_8_06.pdf]Saferide[/url&lt;/a&gt;] as far as the ZBT fraternity in Brookline.</p>

<p>is living in a fraternity or ILG an option? I think those would be cheaper than a dorm, and as Mollie pointed out they are connected to campus by a shuttle.</p>