Kelley DA; Hutton Honors; loans

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<p>All the information on here is so helpful. I am reading this forum religiously.</p>

<p>I am a Kelley DA and in the Hutton Honors college. My orientation is in two weeks, and I am so lost about everything. </p>

<p>Firstly, which classes should I take?</p>

<p>These are the AP tests I've taken:
US History -- 4
Econ Macro -- 4 (Am I unable to take ECON-S 202 Honors Introduction to Macroeconomics?)
Econ Micro -- 4 (Am I unable to take ECON-S 201 Honors Introduction to Microeconomics?)
Eng Composition -- 4
Eng Literature -- 4
AB Calculus -- not sure
Spanish -- not sure
Psych -- not sure</p>

<p>I have my English requirement taken care of. Do any other scores contribute to my gen ed requirement? Also, I'm taking the calculus test at orientation. </p>

<p>My intended major is business law. I think I might change to finance. I want to do international business as a co-major, too, I think. I don't understand whether I should separate my gen ed (specialization or distribution). I want to start taking Chinese asap. I want to study abroad and be in the honors business program. I'm interested in investment banking and the Maurer School of Law and Sungkyunkwan University combined J.D./M.B.A. program.</p>

<p>Sorry that this post is so incoherent!!</p>

<p>At orientation, do I sign up for just fall classes or the whole year? Are the advisors helpful? Will they have a lot of time to help me individually?</p>

<p>From what I've gathered, I should take first semester:</p>

<p>BUS-K 204 Honors The Computer in Business
BUS-X 106 Honors Business Presentations
MATH-S 118 Honors Finite Mathematics
BUS-A 100 Basic Accounting
EALC-C 101 Elementary Chinese 1</p>

<p>second semester:</p>

<p>BUS-A 205 Financial Accounting - Honors
BUS-X 205 Honors Business Communications
BUS-X 202 Technology (Honors)
the next level of Chinese
calculus (is there a disadvantage to taking MATH-M 119 Survey of Calculus I? Is this my only option if I do not want to take honors calculus? Do I get out of this if I do well on my calc test at orientation?)</p>

<p>What else should I consider taking? What other I-Core (is there a list of I-Core classes somewhere?) I am so nervous about figuring out my freshman year classes because my freshman year of high school, I didn't know what classes I should be taking, and I feel like my schedule was not optimal for that reason.</p>

<p>And on a completely different note, when will I find out from IU about loans? My father is being incredibly unhelpful but has no experience with this anyway as I am the oldest child. I am taking out loans under my own name. I tried to apply for student loans tonight through Chase (my bank), but I could not because I will not be eighteen until the end of summer. </p>

<p>Thank you for all the help and patience! I am so glad I came across this site.</p>

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<p>I will try to answer some of your questions in no particular order.</p>

<p>Don’t take X106 and K204 in the same semester; they both require huge amounts of group work and you will have a hard time coordinating meeting times with group members if you take both the same semester.</p>

<p>You probably want to do the 27-hour core distribution option, as a lot of your AP credit will already give you IU credit for these. So far you have credit for HIST H105 US History I (3 cr. S&H) and ENG L198 (3 cr. A&H); possible N&M credit for PSY P101 and calculus depending on your scores. You got six hours for micro and macroeconomics, but these cannot be applied by business majors to the 27-hour core. The econ credits will count in your total needed to graduate.<br>
[Advanced</a> Placement (AP)](<a href=“http://ud.iub.edu/fs_ap.php]Advanced”>http://ud.iub.edu/fs_ap.php)
[College</a> of Arts and Sciences 2008-2010 Online Bulletin: Appendix II: Approved Distribution Courses](<a href=“http://www.indiana.edu/~bulletin/iub/college/2008-2010/appendix2.shtml]College”>http://www.indiana.edu/~bulletin/iub/college/2008-2010/appendix2.shtml)</p>

<p>Make sure you take the Spanish placement test at IU. If you took the AP Spanish exam then you will probably do well enough on the test to get four credits for first year Spanish at the very least. Get as many credits as you can, as registration order for Spring 2010 semester classes will be based on number of hours earned by the middle of October or so, when registration order is calculated by the registrar’s office. Last year, it took about 13 credits earned by a freshman before starting at IU to get into A205 Honors Financial Accounting (and this class is only offered in Spring semesters; you can take it if you are in Hutton AND have enough credits to register before seats run out). If you took the SAT and got 670+ critical reasoning and 660+ on the writing portion, apply for 2 credits for W143. See this page for info on how to apply for the credit. You must contact the English department (a phone call will do; Composition Program Secretary; 812-855-1430) to get this credit; they won’t give it to you unless you ask for it, but it is automatic if you have the scores. [Indiana</a> University Department Of English](<a href=“http://www.iub.edu/~engweb/English-Composition-Undergraduate.php]Indiana”>http://www.iub.edu/~engweb/English-Composition-Undergraduate.php)</p>

<p>You only sign up for the Fall 2009 semester at orientation. You definitely need to take A100 first semester in order to take A205 in the spring semester.</p>

<p>You might find some information about loans or grants that IU gave you in OneStart (in the SIS section, then click Financial Aid). It seems like you should have got a letter or two from the financial aid office by now.</p>

<p>Try to work an honors colloquia HON-H 203(or 204) INTERDEPARTMENTAL COLLOQUIA (3 CR). These are interesting, fulfill distribution option requirements, and are graded easily, so they will help your gpa when applying to business honors.</p>

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<p>Taking that many honors classes the first semester might be tough. Honors advisors recommend 1 honors class a semester, and since it’s your first semester at IU, there isn’t a need to take so hard a schedule. The business honors program requires 3 honors classes before fall of junior year, and hutton honors requires 7 honors classes by graduation.</p>

<p>Here’s a list of I-Core pre req’s:
[Foundation</a> Courses: Degree Requirements: Academics: Undergraduate Program: Kelley School of Business: Indiana University Bloomington](<a href=“Undergraduate | Bachelor's Degree in Business | Indiana Kelley”>Undergraduate | Bachelor's Degree in Business | Indiana Kelley)</p>

<p>Earning an International Business co-major after studying abroad “is so easy it’s a joke” (the exact words a Kelley advisor told me). Almost everyone studys abroad after I-Core.</p>

<p>You sign up for classes on a per semester basis.</p>

<p>IU is still determining the tuition for next year, so you will probably find out your loans after they decide that.</p>

<p>If you are interested in investment banking, joing the investment banking club (last year it met on wednesdays).</p>

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<p>Did you fill out the FAFSA? If so you should have already received a financial aid package. That package probably would have included an unsubsidized Stafford (?) loan at the very least. My D doesn’t qualify for aid, but she was offered an unsubsidized loan.</p>

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<p>Thank you for the links.</p>

<p>Thank you, bthomp1, for that tip about X 106 and K 204.
There are a lot of classes listed as HON-H 203 or 204. Are these the classes you meant–</p>

<p>H203 12368 - Reading and Writing Short Fiction (HON)
H203 12691 - Making Meaning Through Stories (HON)
H203 29744 - The “Fantastic” in Russian Literature(HON)
H203 3898 - The Vampire in European & American Culture (HON)
H204 30149 - History and Philosophy of Experiment (HON)
H204 7375 - Transwar Japan (HON)
H204 7549 - Our “Original” Culture Wars (HON) </p>

<p>Or should I be looking at this link [Indiana</a> University Course Browser](<a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4092/HON/]Indiana”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4092/HON/)? What does VT stand for? Do I choose just one VT?</p>

<p>Will I burn out with this many honors? I took five AP classes my senior year of high school and did not feel overwhelmed. On Kelley Direct Admit Day, a girl told me to take as many classes honors as possible because they’re not much harder, there’s less homework, and grades earned seem to be higher. In high school, it was easier to drop down a level than to move up. I assume college is the same way, so I’d rather start out in honors classes.</p>

<p>If I already took AB calculus in high school, should I be looking at M 211 Calculus I instead of M119 Brief Survey of Calculus? I might want to continue calculus in college. Do I pass out of either of these classes if I do well on the calc test at orientation?</p>

<p>I’m glad to hear that and international business co-major won’t be difficult. </p>

<p>Should I be looking in to intensive Chinese language study in my first semester? In the Hutton Honors College course book, there’s a blurb about it. I can’t find anything online, but the blurb includes an email address for more information (I’m waiting for a response). Does anyone know anything about this?</p>

<p>I filled out the FAFSA. IU gave me $9,000/year in scholarships and $4,500 in unsubsidized loans. I need to apply for private student loans, though. My latest dilemma: I tried applying online for a private student loan through Chase last night but cannot because I’m not eighteen yet. I just got off the phone with IU’s bursar office. I was told my first payment for college is due August 10. I won’t be old enough to take out private student loans (I assume from most places) until after that when I turn eighteen. The women I talked to at the bursar office was dumbfounded. She told me, “Oh… you have a unique situation–most people don’t go to college until they’re already eighteen” and had no advice for me.</p>

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<p>IU is not like high school; college classes are harder than AP’s, and once you sign up for an honors class you cannot drop down to a regular class during the same semester (i.e. if you think honors finite is too difficult and want to take regular finite, you drop honors finite and wait until the next semester to take regular finite).</p>

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<p>Also, the calc test at orientation is really easy, if you take it and do well they give you credit for M211.</p>

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<p>“On Kelley Direct Admit Day, a girl told me to take as many classes honors as possible because they’re not much harder, there’s less homework, and grades earned seem to be higher.”</p>

<p>This statement applies to the Hutton Honors classes, but not to the Kelley ones. The Kelley honors classes are actually a lot more work and more challenging than regular classes and very time consuming [people trying to get into business honors tend to have an insane work ethic]; one Hutton Honors class and one Kelley honors class a semester is reasonable; except that you should jump on the honors accounting classes if you can get into them, because there is zero group work in them; they will still be very difficult, but you won’t have the hassle of trying to meet for group projects in the honors accounting classes), but there are many opportunities for extra credit in a lot of these, especially the two computer classes K204 and X202, which should definitely be taken as honors if you are trying to get into business honors. Check the grade distributions for the honors technology classes and invariably at least half the class gets at least a solid A. Lots of extra credit opportunities in these classes, but more work than regular technology classes. A205 Honors Financial Accounting is a tough class, but no one out of 140+ students (even though some scored less than 45% on the final, while some scored between 96-100% on the same test) in the class got less than a B- in Spring 2009. Per the grade distribution reports, only 47% of the students who took A201 (non-honors) Financial Accounting got a B- or higher in Fall 2008.
[Grade</a> Distribution Reports: Office of the Registrar: Indiana University Bloomington](<a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/gradedist/]Grade”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/gradedist/)</p>

<p>The Hutton interdepartmental colloquia are the ones that are not much homework with easy grading. A lot of these classes are offered by a particular prof only once every year or two, but you can use the grade distribution reports to see how they have graded in the past. These classes apply to the 27 hour core distribution option. Since you have three credits for ENG L198 already, you could take one of the HON H203 classes and have six hours of the A&H completed. Also, you need two of these classes (plus five others, all of which can be taken in the business school) plus a 3.5 gpa to get the Hutton Honors Notation when you graduate. So if you want the honors notation on your diploma, you will eventually have to take two HON interdeparmental colloquia anyway. These classes can be interesting and break up the monotony of doing a bunch of I-Core prerequisites the same semester.
[GHN</a> Requirements for Students Who Entered the HHC Fall 2005 and After](<a href=“http://www.indiana.edu/~iubhonor/faq/05.php]GHN”>http://www.indiana.edu/~iubhonor/faq/05.php)</p>

<p>Fall 2009 and past schedules here
<a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheofclass.shtml[/url]”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheofclass.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Fall 2009 and past semester course descriptions here
<a href=“http://www.indiana.edu/~deanfac/class.shtml[/url]”>http://www.indiana.edu/~deanfac/class.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>A Real Time OneStart Class Search here, for when the seats start going really fast during freshman registration. <a href=“https://iuself.iu.edu/login/login?instance=PS1PRD&cassvc=PSPUB&url=https://iuself.iu.edu/psp/SSERV/SISSELFSERVICE/HRMS/c/COMMUNITY_ACCESS.CLASS_SEARCH.GBL?&Page=SSR_CLSRCH_ENTRY&nocrumbs=y[/url]”>https://iuself.iu.edu/login/login?instance=PS1PRD&cassvc=PSPUB&url=https://iuself.iu.edu/psp/SSERV/SISSELFSERVICE/HRMS/c/COMMUNITY_ACCESS.CLASS_SEARCH.GBL?&Page=SSR_CLSRCH_ENTRY&nocrumbs=y&lt;/a&gt; ] (This database won’t work via this shortcut if you are logged into OneStart at the same time you are using it; need to log out of OneStart and delete cookies)</p>

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<p>I am trying to get in to the business honors program. </p>

<p>Thank you for the clarification about dropping classes.</p>

<p>How should I study for the calc test? I would love to get out of taking M211!</p>

<p>I still am confused about the HON H203 classes. I’m looking at this page [Indiana</a> University Course Browser](<a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4092/HON/HON-H203.html]Indiana”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4092/HON/HON-H203.html). Do I just choose one of those four? What does VT stand for?</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

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<p>VT is the topic for that particular colloquia. It describes the course content and will appear on your transcript. Each one is a separate three-credit class that can be applied to the distribution option.</p>

<p>The link you have above is for Spring semester just past. Here are next fall’s offerings:</p>

<p>A&H
[Indiana</a> University Course Browser](<a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4098/HON/HON-H203.html]Indiana”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4098/HON/HON-H203.html)
[Indiana</a> University Course Browser](<a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4098/HON/HON-H211.html]Indiana”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4098/HON/HON-H211.html)</p>

<p>S&H
[Indiana</a> University Course Browser](<a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4098/HON/HON-H204.html]Indiana”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4098/HON/HON-H204.html)
[Indiana</a> University Course Browser](<a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4098/HON/HON-H212.html]Indiana”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4098/HON/HON-H212.html)</p>

<p>N&M
[Indiana</a> University Course Browser](<a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4098/HON/HON-H205.html]Indiana”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/scheduleoclasses/prl/soc4098/HON/HON-H205.html)</p>

<p>The descriptions of the topics for the H211 and H212 classes are here
[Honors</a> Course Descriptions](<a href=“http://www.indiana.edu/~deanfac/blfal09/hon/]Honors”>http://www.indiana.edu/~deanfac/blfal09/hon/)</p>

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<p>Jigglypuff,</p>

<p>Since you are not 18, you’ll need to have a parent be a co-signer (or more likely take out the loan) for you. Being a co-signer means someone promises to pay if you don’t pay.</p>

<p>Anyone in the US under 18 is considered a “minor”, and therefore any legal documents they sign while in the US are non-enforceable. This is why a bank won’t loan you money–you don’t legally have to pay them back if you signed the loan before you turned 18.</p>

<p>Once you turn 18, this all changes–and then the banks will loan you money directly for your education.</p>

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<p>You can take the honors economics courses if you really want, but my advisor told me not to do so unless I was going to go into higher levels of Econ.</p>

<p>“Should I be looking in to intensive Chinese language study in my first semester? In the Hutton Honors College course book, there’s a blurb about it. I can’t find anything online, but the blurb includes an email address for more information (I’m waiting for a response). Does anyone know anything about this?”</p>

<p>I hope that they responded to you promptly, but if they haven’t, I have more information about that program. If you do it, you’ll be applying to Flagship in December. All you need to do right now is take EALC-C 101.</p>

<p>The loan situation is unfavorable, and I hope that your parents are ok with cosigning your loans when you go to Kelley this fall.</p>

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<p>kelley.ugrad, I disagree with your advisor about his recommendation for Kelley students to not take honors micro and macro, especially regarding S202 Honors Macroeconomics. You can see the grade average is very high for this professor, even though there are virtually no economics majors taking the class. This class is in such high demand that everybody in this section was a junior or a senior. Econ majors can’t even get into this class, because they need to take macroeconomics early in their undergraduate careers in order to have time to take the upper level classes later, and they don’t have nearly enough hours to register before the Kelley juniors and seniors that want to take the class. </p>

<p>Course: ECON-S 202 Class Nbr: 6413 Instr: Gardner R
Title: INTRO TO MACROECONOMICS: HON Topic: N/A</p>

<p>Average Student GPA: 3.730
Average Class Grade: 3.919
Percent Majors: 0.0%</p>

<p>A+: 3 B+: 0 C+: 0 D+: 0 F: 0 I : 0 NY : 0 W : 0
A : 29 B : 1 C : 0 D : 0 P: 0 R : 0 NR : 0 WX: 4
A-: 2 B-: 1 C-: 0 D-: 0 S: 0 NC : 0
Other: 0 GPA Grades: 36 Total Grades: 40</p>

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<p>Just a heads up about the business honors program-- make sure you understand the criteria. To apply you have to have a min. GPA of 3.7, be involved in a extracurricular leadership activity, and receive a recommendation by a faculty member (and obviously fill out the application). It’s really important that you get involved, the honors program wants well rounded students and does not only admit people based on grades. So, just a heads up, lots of people overlook that aspect. I got into the honors program with decent grades, but I was super involved in extracurricular and some people with higher GPAs than mine did not get accepted because they weren’t involved enough. Becoming an officer on your floor government is an easy way to do that. Also, make sure you get to know your professors, so they can write you good recs. Good luck at IU this year! I’m sure you’ll love it :)</p>

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<p>Thanks for the heads up! I’m applying for positions to be on the McNutt student government now.</p>