<p>You have to do a slide show to see the ranking, but here it is.</p>
<p>1) Penn (Wharton)
2) Virginia (McIntire)
3) Berkeley (Haas)
4) Emory (Goizueta)
5) Michigan (Ross)
6) MIT (Sloan)
7) Notre Dame (Mendoza)
8) BYU (Marriott)
9) NYU (Stern)
10) Cornell
11) Georgetown (McDonough)
12) Villanova
13) Texas (McCombs)
14) Boston College (Carroll)
15) North Carolina (Kenan-Flagler)
16) Washington University (Olin)
17) Wake Forest (Calloway)
18) Indiana (Kelley)
19) USC (Marshall)
20) Lehigh
21) Carnegie Mellon (Tepper)
22) Illinois
23) Richmond (Robins)
24) SMU (Cox)
25) University of Washington</p>
<p>Biggest Losers in top 25:
Miami (17th to unranked), Indiana (8 spots down), Carnegie Mellon (5 spots down), Notre Dame, Texas, North Carolina, SMU (4 spots down)</p>
<p>Biggest Gainers in top 25:
U Washington (not in top 50 to top 25), Berkeley, Boston College (9 spots up), Wake Forest, Villanova (7 spots up), Cornell (4 spots up)</p>
<p>The drop seemed to be because the student raters thought the facilities needed updating. One of the comments from students at the online site was that the food at IU is bad and they gained weight. That's a really dumb reason to trash your business school.</p>
<p>As a future Marketer, it's a given that change and creating a buzz sells magazines. By saying that they shook up their ratings more people look and buy.</p>
<p>What was important to me wasn't the student-driven ratings. Look at the table on the online site. Recruiters rank Kelley #9. That's what I'm looking for.</p>
<p>Among the many positive comments, there were some that gave a clue as to why the student survey heavy BusinessWeek ratings crashed IU from the top 10 </p>
<p>"The majority of faculty is (sic) rude and are not available for help. Facilities are horrible , the business is very dated. Faculty who teach 200 and 300 level classes don't have doctorates"</p>
<p>"For two years felt like a number"</p>
<p>"It is often difficult to get the opportunity to speak with an advisior when you really need to"</p>
<p>"The facilities are pretty bad, the physical structure and classooms are outdated and knid of a joke"
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Ouch. How will they spin this?</p>
<p>Well, if you look at the numbers, IU is 1 point away from being at #14, and 6.5 points from being #9. Last year they were the beneficiary of being on the top of so many closely ranked schools - now it's the opposite.</p>
<p>I agree with the negative comments. I really think the facilities need updating, the undergraduate classrooms are a joke (or at least the one's i've been in), the advising is awful, and you truly do feel like a number. I am in both Kelley and HPER and I never go to Kelley for advising - they are fake, don't get to know you, and their advice isn't very good.</p>
<p>Maybe this ranking is a bit of a wake-up call though to Kelley that they need to improve advising, facilities, and need to stop worrying about their ranking.</p>
<p>I have to say, I am a bit disturbed by the new rankings. While I realize that there is a certain amount of sensationalism involved, some of the numbers and comments are a bit troubling. I turned down a considerably higher ranked business school to attend Kelley next fall (b/c of a combination of money issues and Kelley's good reputation). I am still excited about going but is it true that the facilities are in bad condition? I was under the impression that undergrads could take classes in the very nice Kelley building. Also, is the quality and interest level of the professors as bad as they say? Finally, on a slightly unrelated note, if you are both in the direct admit program and in the honors school, can you get advising/schedule from the honors advising or only the business, how is the quality of the honors advising? Thanks.</p>
<p>I'm going to DA day so I'll post about scheduling/advising after I get back. As best as I can tell, we sign up for classes during summer orientation.</p>
<p>I'm not in Honors but the webpage for Kelley says DA's are encouraged to take Honors classes.</p>
<p>"bad condition"....depends on your definition. Will you fall throught the rotted floors while walking down the hallway....probably not. Will you have to wear a mask into classrooms due to heavy mold and mildew....probably not. Are the advisors bad....yes. Find an upperclassman business student to help you with scheduling. And as far as the quality of professors, I have not found any truth to that. Even ones whose class I hate show general interest in their students and are available if you need to talk to them.....remember you can't believe everything you hear. Now, I am not sticking up for their facilities, they could use things like new seats in lecture halls, some ceilings have small water leaks, things like that, but its nothing that is going to affect the quality of education. And it all takes MONEY. I think we will start to see some upgrades take place on the undergrad side of the B-School sooner than later.</p>
<p>Yes, you sign up for classes during summer orientation. I would advise going in prepared with what classes you want to take 1st semester, and remember those who have the early orientation get better class times. If you were last like me, you will have 3 8am classes first semester like me. If anyone wants advice with class scheduling for next fall, let me know when it gets closer to orientation time.</p>
<p>Kahlen, Domino is correct, I turned down Emory ED for Kelley. Nice detective work, Domino I was able to get out of ED b/c Emory has a financial aid exception that says you are not obligated to accept ED if it is not financially feasible, the package they gave me was borderline acceptable, which in the end seemed to me not to be worth it. I am going to Direct Admit day so hopefully will be able to better understand the pros/cons of the b-school and will probably just wind up doing my advising through the hutton honors program. Thanks a lot Jason, I will probably take you up on the offer as the time gets closer. The whole thing seems a bit confusing to me.</p>
<p>wolfman- sorry, I must have come across as a stalker but you only posted to two college forums . I too have turned down schools to narrow down my choices to a few pending visits. Even fewers schools gave me $</p>
<p>Sorry. Cut off my own post. So yea, I wasn't so much bothered by the numerical drop as I was by the comments from graduating seniors. I'm glad I can visit later this month. Think of how many people go in without seeing the campus at all</p>
<p>My son and I went to Kelley for a visit last week and found that the undergraduate facilities really need upgrades inside and outside. A total of 30 parents and their kids were packed into a really small presentation room on the first floor of the adviser office. It was a cramped atmosphere. Furthermore, the classrooms looked a little old and worn out. However, they did have adequate presenation equipment to teach classes.</p>
<p>I would say Pacer1119 is accurate in saying "the classrooms looked a little old and worn out. However, they did have adequate presenation equipment to teach classes." The equipment is very up to date however the classrooms themselves need some work. And by outside, I'm going to assume you mean the agregate (sp?) or concrete material that leads to the main doors, which is crumbling and sinking.</p>
<p>This is IU's press release. They're not 18th, they're 6th among public universities. Remain calm. Everything is under control. Crumbling concrete= divergent pathway inspired by natures forces.</p>