Kentucky vs. Alabama

I know both schools are generous to NMFs. Interested in hearing from those with kiddos who were NMF, who looked at both schools and choose UA over UK. What were some of the reasons?

Looking at the stats of the top quartile, it looks like Alabama is winning the game of getting students with high stats. 31 or higher ACT at Alabama, 28 at Kentucky. Since they give automatic full tuition to 32 ACT and above, I am sure this pulls in a lot of kids with high stats. This in itself is a draw I know, being able to study surrounded by so many highly capable kids.

Looking for other things to consider about UA and why you think it was a better choice or fit for your student. Warmer weather and good football are obvious enough. Interested in other reasons.

One of my first questions. I was looking at a list of tier 1 research universities and noticed UA isn’t one, while UK is. That was surprising to me. I don’t know much about the criteria, and there may be an obvious reason why. Does anyone know?

Probably because the med school is on UK’s campus, while the med school is on UAB’s campus.

IIRC Kentucky requires a significantly higher GPA to keep the NMF scholarships than Alabama does. that really stood out to me when I was researching them.

@mom2collegekids sounds plausible to me. I am sure significant research dollars flow through med schools and the typical university hospitals, so the lack of one on campus would be a handicap for that particular comparison.

@mom2twogirls this could be a change, but it looks like currently both schools require 3.0.

That’s good to know! I can’t remember if it was a 3.3 or a 3.5 required previously. This is a lot better, especially for those considering majors that tend to have lower GPAs

@LOUKYDAD
This sort of Q has come up before when someone asked why UAB had more research dollars than UA and the answer was that UAB’s med school’s research dollars are included in the total.

Another reason, aside from UK having a med school on campus, is that UK is also the state’s agriculture school. (Alabama is not an Ag school). $31M a year in research dollars alone are for Ag research at UK.

The computer based honors program at UA looks like a great opportunity for a kid who knows he wants to do research. Only 40 slots each year so very selective I imagine. UK has a program that seems similar (Chellgren Fellows) but you aren’t selected before you enroll, but rather later during your freshman year. Knowing before you enroll you will have the opportunity to be a part of the program would be awesome.

My (class of 2015 NM Scholar) daughter and I visited both in 2015. We found the people at UA incredibly welcoming, and enthusiastic about having dd at their school. The UA campus visit, for a NM scholar anyway, feels like a very strong recruiting visit. Everyone there – staff and students alike – seem happy, welcoming, enthused, full of ideas for you, etc. They do a great job selling the benefits of being at UA.

We just didn’t “feel the love” at U KY. Th U KY visit wasn’t as well done (UA is amazing in that) and they just didn’t sell the school as well as the U A folks do.

This is my second NM go round with my class of 2017 son (NMSF officially as of yet, pending probable NMF notification in February). Again, I encouraged my kid to consider U KY (it’s closer to home, has plenty to offer) . . . but I couldn’t even get enthused enough to cajole him into completing the U KY application or scheduling a visit . . . He’s going to UA, for sure. He’d visited some since his sister goes there, and then his official campus visit a few months ago sealed the deal. Big sis has been very happy there, the two of them are great friends, and we know even more about all the great offerings at U Al . . .

FWIW, I think the lower (3.0 for the vast majority of the money) GPA requirement at UA (and they are quite flexible in how they enforce the relatively low GPA requirement, too – they don’t just cancel your $$ the first time you dip below 3.0) is a HUGE positive.

I personally had a full-tuition++ NM scholarship back in the dark ages, and keeping that 3.5 was really tough when I wanted to take 18 credits of hard science classes. I actually dropped a senior level honors seminar during my 2nd semester Freshman year because I had a B in it and I couldn’t risk the GPA drop for an elective . . . Most of the kids I knew who were on that scholarship took just 12 credits each term with plenty of gym credits (really). The $$ wasn’t AS big a deal back then since in the 80s/90s things weren’t so crazy cost wise and my family could afford the full cost when needed. Today, though, losing the scholarship $$ would likely necessitate dropping out for a lot of kids, so, to me, I would NOT send my kid to a school we couldn’t easily afford w/o the $$ if they had high/strict GPA requirements. It’s just a level of stress that unnecessarily makes life miserable, IMHO.

The 5th year of tuition $$ at UA is actually really sweet. My older dd will be doing her BS (2 majors – computer science and math) along with a MS (computer science) – all comfortably doable in 10 semesters. That’s pretty dang awesome.

Then again, U KY is really a “full ride” for 4 years, whereas U AL is more of a “mostly ride” for 5. If true zero cost for undergrad is your top priority, then U KY is the way to go.

I do think both schools are worth serious consideration. But, so far, our heart’s been in Alabama.

@mmom99 Thanks a bunch for sharing your experiences. Since I posted this we have been shaken up a bit by the discussion on UK’s plans to dramatically shift from merit to need emphasis. We are now much more likely to explore UA and perhaps other schools that are generous to NMF kids. No question we need to visit. My son is a junior currently. This fall during senior year he will have a one week break that I was anticipating doing a lot of college visits. It would be the first week of October. Any thoughts on the timing? I would like it to be a week when UA is in session so he can sit in on a class and see what it feels like there when school is going on. Maybe even try to attend a football game.

Just an update for UK. I haven’t been on a UA visit but I will say that the UK visit we attended in the Fall of 2016 was very nice. Of course I am biased as a UK grad, but I do think that they are improving that “first impression” stuff. My S17 has chosen UK for a number of reasons other than being the hometown school and parental pressure (I actually encouraged him to take visits to Vandy and NW but couldn’t get him to broaden his horizons). I’m hoping that the need-based focus of their scholarships doesn’t bite the school in the rear.

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What is his major?

First week of Oct…The game that Saturday (Sept 30 )is a Conference game Ole MIss, and therefore extremely expensive to visit then. Decent hotels will be $400 per night, two night Fri/Sat nights minimum required, and likely already booked. Yes, it’s that crazy. Plus tix will be expensive. I don’t recommend visiting at that time unless money is no object. (Tickets for UA students are cheap for football and free for other sports)

If you’re thinking about a game on Oct 7, that is an away game weekend.

Frankly, visiting during weekends should be avoided. The best time to visit a campus, is often on a Monday. Arrive on Sunday (fine if a game weekend, Sunday night rates are normal), visit campus on Monday. The honors college can arrange the tour and visiting actual classes. Give the HC enough notice to schedule everything.

Will be going to MERIT week to KY as Finalist !! However, still looking at U of Central FL and U TX Dallas as FULL
rides! For Computer Science. Also-- option to U of Cincinnati for merit scholarship

@LOUKYDAD We did not seek AL in our search as Finalist, due to no easy access in non-stop airfare
Also, KY is ranked 90 in comp. science (tied with Cincinnati), and I am not familiar with AL

Just read this conversation and wanted to put a plug in for UT Dallas. It is a full ride for NMF and a tier 1 research university w/o the medical school, but it does have affiliation with a medical school in Dallas. It has great STEM programs, weaker in the humanities.

I just did research on KY, and learned that KY has a goal to become the Top 20 public research university by 2020.
http://www.uky.edu/Top20/ :))