Kenyon vs. Denison

Hi everyone!

I got into both Kenyon and Denison but I’m having trouble choosing which to go to.

Kenyon is beautiful. it is rural but I don’t exactly mind. I’d be about 5 minutes from my grandparents if I needed anything. I want to study history and political science and they have great programs for that. I didn’t get any scholarship money. Denison gave me $26,000 in scholarship money per year, which is essentially half of the tuition. I like how its a bit closer to Columbus and has a small but nice college town. it’s more greek than I would like though and doesnt have as good of programs as Kenyon.

Money isn’t a huge deal for my family, so my parents would be okay with me choosing kenyon. So far I vibe better with the Kenyon kids.

My biggest worry is about being the “dumb” one. I was somewhat under the averages for Kenyon’s average gpa and sat. For Denison I was near the top of both those stats.

I basically don’t want to be a small fish in a big pond. What should I do?

if your biggest fear is not being smart enough for kenyon, i completely understand. that’s exactly how i felt when i was accepted to grinnell. perhaps i should take my own advice when i say this, but please know the kenyon admissions officers chose you because they believe in your ability to succeed there. if you love kenyon, and your parents can comfortably pay for it, go.

To select Kenyon would be partly to select Middle Path and Gothic architecture. Gambier can be viewed as either a tiny college town or a fantastic student center. For your interest in the study of history and government specifically, the school would make a great academic choice.

26,000 times 4 is 104,000. Do you like Kenyon $100,000 better?

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They are both wonderful schools, though there are differences, some of which you have identified. First, I would not worry about being well qualified to succeed at Kenyon – trust the admissions team, they have been doing this a long time and know what they are looking for. At the same time, don’t assume that Denison is an “easier” place to excel. Acceptance rates are just about the same, 33% last year at Kenyon and 34% this year at Denison, and Kenyon’s middle 50% test scores were 29-33 and Denison’s were 28-32.

Obvious differences – size and location. Kenyon has about 1650 students as compared to Denison’s about 2250, so a difference of about 600 students. Gambier and Granville are each delightful, though Gambier is much smaller while Granville is within commuting distance of Columbus so “bustles” more. Students at each school live within the 'bubble" – to escape the “bubble,” Kenyon students can go to Mt Vernon and Denison students can go to Easton/Columbus.

Greek life is pretty similar at both schools. Kenyon reports about 25% involvement in fraternities, same as Denison, and both report higher participation in sororities. Both are non-residential greek life, though we were told at Kenyon that parts of dorms are set aside for greek life students to live together with their brothers/sisters, while there is no similar practice at Denison. Both schools continue to use the old greek life houses for greek life chapter meetings. I know Denison students cannot use the houses for parties, I don’t know if that is true at Kenyon.

Kenyon is known for its theater and its English department. Denison has the Lugar program in Political Science which brings in speakers every year (named for Senator Lugar, an alum, and designed to support the sort of bipartisanship Senator Lugar was known for), and offers a focus for students on either US or International, with placements in internships.

Kenyon kids are great, talented young people who work hard and are challenged by their professors. Same is true at Denison. Denison uses merit money to “seal the deal” with very, very talented kids. I’ve said elsewhere on CC that, at an admitted students event, my kid met some of the full tuition award kids at Denison, and one was choosing between Stanford and Denison and another choosing between Columbia and Denison. The Columbia kid chose Denison, Stanford kid chose Stanford.

Some distinctive elements about Denison: emphasis on diversity and active citizenship. Denison is just under 20% first gen and also just under 20% Pell grant eligible (low income) as well as 35% multi racial. Denison is more economically diverse than Kenyon as, according to the NY Times study, Denison has just under 10% of its students from the top 1% economically, and just about 20% from the bottom 60% (families earning less than $65,000). Kenyon is just about the opposite, with just under 20% in the top 1% and about 12$ from the bottom 60%. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/18/upshot/some-colleges-have-more-students-from-the-top-1-percent-than-the-bottom-60.html

There is no “wrong” decision here. At the end of the day, my musician/artist/athlete kid chose Denison, and that was the right decision for him. The right decision for you sounds like it could be Kenyon. If Kenyon feels “right” and the money works, then go with your gut. Congratulations on having a wonderful choice to make!

I’ll say also that Kenyon comes with a distinctive national reputation that relatively few colleges can match, should you want to consider this.

Sorry for that treatise on Kenyon and Denison!

Perhaps a more useful, shorter answer is: trust the Admissions process at Kenyon, you can handle the work. At the same time, don’t assume that students at Denison would be less capable or would challenge you less than at Kenyon.

If your family can comfortably pay the extra $100,000 for Kenyon, and it is your preferred school, then go. If you have any doubts about whether Kenyon is the right place, then go back and visit each, spend one day at one and the next at the other as they are about an 30 minutes apart.

Also, correcting typo in my treatise – Kenyon has 12% in the bottom 60% economically.

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hello again to those on this thread!

I totally forgot about this forum and how much i used it throughout the application and decision process. Thank you for all your help!

In the end, I chose Kenyon. It was a hard decision to make, but to me Kenyon felt more relaxed and comfortable. I loved Denison, but often found myself intimidated by the grandness of the school itself and the students that went there. All in all, I clicked better with Kenyon students. Also, having my grandparents 5 minutes away helps A LOT with this process. much easier for my family and me when they visit or if I need to borrow their car or just want a hot meal :slight_smile: haha

Not only did the connections with others in my class play a large role in my decision, but it mostly came down to the 3D art program. Denison’s building was cool but kind of hard to navigate and just didnt feel like a good space for me to work. Kenyon on the other hand had nice spaces for student art and an environment and building I felt more comfortable in. I also connected with Kenyon’s displayed art better than at other schools.

Thanks again for help in this process! KENYON 2022 GO LORDS AND LADIES!!!

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@merc81 regarding your comment on Kenyon’s more distinctive reputation: Denison is fast climbing the rankings chart and at 29% acceptance this year as opposed to Kenyon’s 34%, Denison now enjoys the lowest acceptance rate of all the Ohio LACs.