Kind of odd question about admissions

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perhaps out in the Air Force airmen should not have different regs based on age. A 36 year old should be able to run as fast as a 22 year old.

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<p>According to Bullet a 40 yr old gets max pts for a 9:30 1 1/2 mi run, seeing as that is less than a 7 min mile., which is hi for even an 18 yr old for the AFA. I think that the reg still holds., plus a woman gets a longer time for the run when she hits 40. That is my pt. compare apples to apples. </p>

<p>I personally believe that when it comes to combat, if you want to play in the field your sex should not be an issue...I believe that flymom's duaghter can hold her own on every aspect, running and pulling deadweight </p>

<p>Let me say this Jeannie and flymom's daughter do not look in any manner as Amazon women... however, they are physically fit and I bet they can pull any guy out of the water or beat a lot of guys in the run. That is my pt., why can't it be equal regardless of sex?</p>

<p>BTW flymom, might hate me for saying this, but there is 1 very very pretty girl coming to the AFA...actually I remember another girl who is very pretty too...it must be true southern girls are the prettiest ;)</p>

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haha... i can vouch for that :)</p>

<p>i believe those who got accepted earned it, regardless of race, gender, or any other dividing factors. some congressional districts are more competitive than others, but that's just how it is. push through the adversity, dont get cynical, and enjoy being around the people that're gonna be your true friends when the academic year gets here. G4C, the gentlemanly spirit isnt quite dead yet! i think it's just part of being a good officer and person.</p>

<p>Really, who cares how or why you got here. When you get here, its what you do that will earn the respect. Even if you were admitted for other aspects besides pure qualifications (and after meeting the ladies at dinner, I know all of you made it on your merits for sure!), rocking this place out will prove you earned and deserved it. Make this place yours and you won't regret it.</p>

<p>PS, I say that because they rated me somewhere around 850 when I entered based on my merit coming in. While they usually can predict within very close ranges where everyone will graduate based on their incoming ranks and academic comp (usually predicts a person's graduating GPA within .1-.2 points), I have been fortunate to have broken the predictions they gave to me. I think that's because I love this place and do more than most would care to do here! Reach for the stars and even the moon will take you to new heights! ;)</p>

<p>850? Was that your Ac composite? If so they royally screwed up...maybe they meant to type 3850. :P</p>

<p>;) wow, this went on for a while!
if and when y'all get to know me, you'll learn i don't stay mad for long. it bothered me at the time, but it's all good.
like hornet said, i'll just have to prove i deserved it :D</p>

<p>if anyone else had similar issues, i hope this helped</p>

<p>on a serious note, certain quotas are met. not sure whether its a usafa or area thing, but i have a friend (current 4 dig) who graduated form hs in 2006. he had an appointment to join the class of 2010. He was then sent a letter saying his appointment was being postponed until 2011 due to minority quotas.</p>

<p>now after meeting missmuff, i seriously doubt that's the case, but that sorta thing is out there, so we can't pretend it doesn't exist at all.</p>

<p>My ac comp was a 3650/4000, my RANK was 850/1400 (or however many inprocessed). Based on my athletics, and MAYBE leadership stuff, they thought I wouldn't do so well. ;)</p>

<p>Hornet I am not sure I believe you....</p>

<p>lol I didn't think I was that low tll I saw my personnel record that went up for my leadership positions.</p>

<p>Missmuff, you earned your spot. I have complete confidence you will do great things.</p>

<p>hornetguy, what's the academic composite you speak of? lol sounds like some pretty crazy stuff</p>

<p>The Ac Composite is a combination of your HS grades, courses taken, test scores, etc. They use some secret formula and give you a score out of 4000. Supposedly, it is pretty good at predicting your performance here.</p>

<p>Congrats missmuff, go forth and do all women proud. I wish you could meet some of the "pioneers" who paved the way..namely the women who graduated from the service academies in 1980. I served in the AF from 1981-85(enlisted) and worked for and with a few of them. True professionals who endured a lot, but the ones I knew never made an issue of it. These were the ones who had my upmost respect. There will always be strong opinions about women in the military, and you will hear them. Your confidence and strength will carry you far. Always remember you have many women who serve, and have served, proudly rooting for you. Best of luck to you!</p>

<p>Petko: do the cadets ever get to learn their Ac Composite?</p>

<p>you said it right, zfam!</p>

<p>And MissMuff, having met you, I can't think of a better future officer than you! You have earned your spot! Grab your future and go!</p>

<p>yes, cadets can see their ac comp at anytime if they talk to their advisor. when your advisor prints out your entire schedule (all 8 semesters), its on the top</p>

<p>Does the ac comp change over time, or is it your initial seeding?</p>

<p>The service academies are unique in their selection compared to traditional schools. Words like quotas, affirmative action, etc... don't mean quite the same thing that they do for a traditional school. The service academies do aim for diversity, as does almost all schools, but again service academies do this differently.</p>

<p>I guess the easiest way to SEE this in action is selections vs nominations. The service academies are federal and as such are required to take a minimum of "X" amount of applicants from each state. Assuming the applicants meet certain minimum requirements, so many will be available from each state. This is obviously a form of quotas, diversity, and affirmative action. But you can obviously see that it's different than the traditional thought and definition of these words. So the first thing to realize is that the service academies don't lower standards to ensure certain applicants are selected. So know that if you have been selected to the academy, that you have in fact met their strict standards and deserve the appointment. </p>

<p>The biggest problem that people see with the selection process is that because it's federal and EVERY STATE is allowed so many slots, that applicants from a larger populated state like California would have a much more difficult time getting selected compared to a state like Montana or Wyoming. I.e. A district in California where a representative is allowed their "X" amount of cadets nominated or currently enrolled, could have a district population of a million people, with possibly 100 applicants. An area, in say Wyoming, only has 1 district, 1 representative, and a total population of 550,000 people and say 27 applicants. Numerically, the person in Wyoming has a better chance. But selection numbers are federally mandated and that's why so many are available for each representative, and that nominations can also come from senators. People can also get nominations from the President, Vice President, and some other areas. In ALL CASES however, a nomination doesn't mean anything if you don't qualify. If you don't qualify, then you won't get a letter of assurance requiring a nomination. That's why Reps and senators provide a list of 10 nominees. Because not everyone on their list may qualify for an appointment. Your rep or senator doesn't usually know the results of your CFA score, medical exam, application, etc....</p>

<p>But again, realize that in the case of the military academy, that 9000-10000 people will apply and become prospects; 6000 will become competitive and become applicants. Approximately 2800 will be even more competitive and become candidates. 1700 will actually be offered an appointment. And 1300-1400 will actually walk in the door and get on the bus in June.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, there will ALWAYS be that person who is the #1 NON-SELECTED. That #1701 of those they offered an appointment to. Now, is it possible that that #1 non-selected could have a higher overall score than a person selected from another state who did get selected? Yes, it is possible, but that too is still very unlikely. Reason being, is that even in that small state such as Wyoming that only had 27 initial applicants with, only maybe 3-4 got selected. Couple from the Rep, maybe 1 from a senator's list, and maybe 1 from a presidential nominee. So, even though each state has so many available slots, there is enough competition in each state, that the academies still take the best of the best. And usually the best 3-4 in Wyoming that are selected, are equal academically and in total score to the 30-40 that were selected and given an appointment from California. And the 20 or so given an appointment from Texas.</p>

<p>And, of all complaints from those not selected or ignorant of the process, concerning "quotas" or "Slots", the biggest is aimed at those candidates and selected applicants who are also athletes. There is a misconception that if you are a recruited athlete at the academy, that your scores were lower and the standards aren't the same as the rest of the cadets. This too is false. So, if anything, athletes have more of a stereotype of being accepted than an applicant who happens to be a woman, black, hispanic, etc... But, for those who look at the stats, you will see that approximately 25% of all cadets walking in the door in June happen to be recruited athletes. A lot of this happens to just be coincidental with the nature of the military. They naturally attract very athletic individuals. That's why they make you do the CFA. By nature, the military is physical and athletic. But let me assure you that any athlete accepted and offered an appointment, also needed an appointment from a rep, senator, presidential, etc... They still needed the SAT/ACT/GPA/Ranking, etc... that everyone else needed. They went through the same applications and approval process. Trust me, there are a lot of recruited athletes who have a gpa of 3.9, class rank in the top 10, took AP/IB classes, etc... just like everyone else who applied for an appointment.</p>

<p>Finally, to help explain athletes and everyone else accepted, realize that your SCORE SHEET is made up of many areas. Sat/ACT, GPA, Ranking, leadership, Volunteer, Extra Curriculum, Sports, Interviews, Nominations, Recommendations, application questionnaire, etc... all contribute to the FINAL SCORE!!! Everyone has the same score sheet. yes, an athlete will probably get a higher score in that particular area of the score sheet; but the non-athlete may have higher scores in the leadership area because they went to boy/girl state, boy/girl scouts, jrrotc, etc... Anyway, this explanation is provided to hopefully educate those reading who think somehow that some people are given appointments and didn't deserve them. Not one candidate/cadet arriving at the academy on June 26th; whether female, male, black, white, hispanic, athlete, musician, mathematician, Floridian, Texan, or from Nebraska received their appointment and nomination without being qualified and meeting the difficult standards asked of them.</p>

<p>I know what I am about to say will be slammed and shot at!</p>

<p>When the SA's (all of them) were created I don't think they had the intention that the athletic dept (football) would get paid by the media. Remember that ESPN, CBS, Fox, NBC pay the academy big time $$$ for the right to televise. I believe that the majority of athletes earned their spot based on their record, however the USNA has proven that they recruited a cadet for football, which I whole heartedly disagree with this cadet was the anchor and now is playing for the PATS... I just question if the USNA accepeted him for his accademic ability or for the fact that he could help the team...if it was the latter, then a qualified candidate lost their slot to someone who did not even do his 5 and dive...afterall what is the big deal to him, the PATS paid back the Academy for the amount of the education.</p>

<p>Again, I am not opposed to athletes getting in, I look at the AFA as I do Notre Dame, they need to recruit, however, the SA's exists to mold the future military, not to make athletes and get money from the media...</p>

<p>NOw go ahead and shoot me!</p>

<p>Personally I would rather see the SA's lose every game, but win where it matters!</p>

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<p>Can't dissapoint you. Way way too much ado has been made about this single instance. We do not know the whole story here and are only speculating. The admissions department makes mistakes. They take calculated risks. Character is the most difficult trait to evaluate, almost impossible. They only had his junior year math and English teachers recommendations as input. So they picked one person who perhaps did not live up to what was expected. I can parade you a long list of many more with a less lofty profile. Let it go.</p>