<p>Could you recommend liberal arts colleges with serious sience oriented students, other than Reed and Swarthmore (too much stress). Planning to go to graduate program in Chemistry/Biology after college.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Grinnell: S loves chemistry and math. Beautiful new science facilities, close faculty relationships, free tutoring if you want/need it, small intro classes (no more than 30/class), and lots of money for internships and research. No wonder it produces such a high rate of Phd students in the sciences. And they give merit aid.</p>
<p>Chemistry: Bowdoin, Carleton, Grinnell, Kalamazoo, Mudd, Wabash, Wooster</p>
<p>Biology: Earlham, Grinnell, Kalamazoo, Mudd</p>
<p>Mudd is an LAC (or is LAC-like) where hardly anyone majors in "LA" but the courses are there.</p>
<p>In broad general terms, the more stressful a school is, the more demanding it is, the more you learn, the better your chances for getting into grad school.</p>
<p>If you're female, Wellesley is good.</p>
<p>national liberal arts colleges - proportion of bachelors graduates in chemistry </p>
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<p>college, SAT 75th percentile, total bachelors graduates, number of bachelors graduates in chemistry, proportion of chemistry bachelors degrees</p>
<p>2005 data</p>
<p>sorted by the number of bachelors graduates in chemistry</p>
<p>St. Olaf College 1340 689 36 0.052
Albion College 1220 341 25 0.073
Hope College 1260 652 24 0.037
Willamette University 1340 447 24 0.054
Colby College 1430 484 23 0.048
Williams College 1520 504 22 0.044
MacAlester College 1450 460 21 0.046
Carleton College 1480 500 20 0.040
The College of Wooster 1330 413 18 0.044
Gustavus Adolphus College 1260 716 18 0.025
Hobart William Smith Colleges 1270 425 18 0.042
Furman University 1370 661 17 0.026
Kalamazoo College 1380 271 16 0.059
Millsaps College 1290 276 16 0.058
Allegheny College 1300 381 15 0.039
Amherst College 1550 409 15 0.037
Hamilton College 1420 423 15 0.035
Wellesley College 1460 576 15 0.026
Bryn Mawr College 1410 320 14 0.044
Grinnell College 1490 319 14 0.044
Illinois Wesleyan University 1380 473 14 0.030
Smith College 1370 734 14 0.019
University of Richmond 1390 814 14 0.017
Pomona College 1530 368 13 0.035
Ursinus College 1320 324 13 0.040
Bucknell University 1380 860 12 0.014
Centre College 1340 230 12 0.052
Haverford College 1460 278 12 0.043
Mount Holyoke College 1380 553 12 0.022
College of the Holy Cross 1350 646 11 0.017
Virginia Military Institute 1230 299 11 0.037
Skidmore College 1340 578 10 0.017
University of Puget Sound 1355 619 10 0.016
Washington and Lee University 1450 463 10 0.022</p>
<p>biology</p>
<p>same data sorted by the NUMBER of biology graduates, not the proportion</p>
<p>AUGUSTANA COLLEGE 1300 540 93 0.17
COLORADO COLLEGE 1380 523 83 0.16
BUCKNELL UNIVERSITY 1380 856 77 0.09
SAINT OLAF COLLEGE 1340 708 67 0.09
GUSTAVUS ADOLPHUS COLLEGE 1260 703 63 0.09
ALLEGHENY COLLEGE 1300 455 61 0.13
LAFAYETTE COLLEGE 1350 541 58 0.11
DENISON UNIVERSITY 1330 514 56 0.11
SPELMAN COLLEGE 1140 533 54 0.1
MUHLENBERG COLLEGE 1320 595 54 0.09
OBERLIN COLLEGE 1440 722 54 0.07
MOUNT HOLYOKE COLLEGE 1380 553 52 0.09
JUNIATA COLLEGE 1260 332 50 0.15
FURMAN UNIVERSITY 1370 643 49 0.08
WOFFORD COLLEGE 1350 247 48 0.19
WHITMAN COLLEGE 1440 337 48 0.14
CARLETON COLLEGE 1480 455 48 0.11
COLBY COLLEGE 1430 486 48 0.1
ILLINOIS WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY 1380 462 48 0.1
WILLIAMS COLLEGE 1520 531 48 0.09
SMITH COLLEGE 1370 688 48 0.07
SWARTHMORE COLLEGE 1530 364 46 0.13
GRINNELL COLLEGE 1490 367 45 0.12
BOWDOIN COLLEGE 1460 414 45 0.11
CONNECTICUT COLLEGE 1400 452 45 0.1
DAVIDSON COLLEGE 1440 426 44 0.1
UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND 1390 757 44 0.06
DEPAUW UNIVERSITY 1320 522 43 0.08
DICKINSON COLLEGE 1370 512 43 0.08
EARLHAM COLLEGE 1340 249 41 0.16
OHIO WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY 1320 377 41 0.11
BATES COLLEGE 1420 450 41 0.09
URSINUS COLLEGE 1320 361 40 0.11
POMONA COLLEGE 1530 394 40 0.1
COLLEGE OF WOOSTER 1330 391 39 0.1
FRANKLIN AND MARSHALL COLLEGE 1360 433 39 0.09
OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE 1360 459 39 0.08
UNIVERSITY OF PUGET SOUND 1355 579 39 0.07
ST MARY'S COLLEGE OF MARYLAND 1350 396 38 0.1
WILLAMETTE UNIVERSITY 1340 420 38 0.09
WELLESLEY COLLEGE 1460 603 38 0.06
RHODES COLLEGE 1370 334 37 0.11
COLLEGE OF SAINT BENEDICT 1220 475 37 0.08
COLGATE UNIVERSITY 1430 646 37 0.06
PRESBYTERIAN COLLEGE 1240 268 36 0.13
SAINT JOHNS UNIVERSITY 1260 494 35 0.07
COLLEGE OF THE HOLY CROSS 1350 675 35 0.05
WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY 1490 722 35 0.05
KALAMAZOO COLLEGE 1380 285 34 0.12
REED COLLEGE 1460 310 34 0.11
ST LAWRENCE UNIVERSITY 1250 499 34 0.07
GETTYSBURG COLLEGE 1340 597 34 0.06
HENDRIX COLLEGE 1340 230 32 0.14
BRYN MAWR COLLEGE 1410 299 32 0.11
AUSTIN COLLEGE 1340 310 32 0.1
HAVERFORD COLLEGE 1460 323 32 0.1
LAWRENCE UNIVERSITY 1340 314 32 0.1
SOUTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY 1360 311 31 0.1
KENYON COLLEGE 1420 399 31 0.08
VASSAR COLLEGE 1460 614 31 0.05
KNOX COLLEGE 1340 265 30 0.11
MACALESTER COLLEGE 1450 428 30 0.07
BARNARD COLLEGE 1430 600 30 0.05
HOPE COLLEGE 1260 638 30 0.05
ALBION COLLEGE 1220 309 29 0.09
MIDDLEBURY COLLEGE 1500 632 29 0.05
WASHINGTON AND LEE UNIVERSITY 1450 398 28 0.07
HOBART WILLIAM SMITH COLLEGES 1270 446 28 0.06
AGNES SCOTT COLLEGE 1300 204 27 0.13
SEWANEE: THE UNIVERSITY OF THE SOUTH 1320 313 27 0.09
CENTRE COLLEGE 1340 258 25 0.1
TRINITY COLLEGE 1400 492 25 0.05
DREW UNIVERSITY 1320 359 23 0.06
AMHERST COLLEGE 1550 428 21 0.05
WHEATON COLLEGE 1420 604 21 0.03</p>
<p>How about Haverford?</p>
<p>So the NUMBER of biology/chemistry graduates is a measure of departments' size, right? Is size reflective of the seriousness of students? Maybe it is!</p>
<p>If you want to be a scientist and you are worried that Swarthmore will be to stressful, then you have yourself a problem.</p>
<p>Dartmouth, it's an LAC disguised as a research U. And if my DS is typical, it's low stress, high fun.</p>
<p>Collegehelp -- something wrong with your Williams and Amherst 75% numbers... I don't think they've ever lately been more than 10 pts. apart... did you use 2008 and Amherst and 2006 for Williams?</p>
<p>Here's a good post from a while back:</p>
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<p>Chemistry Harvey Mudd, Wabash, Reed, Carleton, Bowdoin, Grinnell, Haverford, Franklin & Marshall, College of Wooster, Bryn Mawr, Allegheny, Knox, Occidental, Bates, Juniata, Kalamazoo, Williams, Swarthmore, Oberlin, Holy Cross, St. Olaf, Hendrix, Hope, Davidson, Ursinus, Kenyon, Macalester, Centre, Wellesley, Wheaton, Trinity U, Lawrence U, Colgate, Ripon, Drew, Willamette, Beloit, Hiram, Lake Forest, Gustavus Adolphus, Rose-Hulman, Albion, Amherst, Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Hamline, Bethel, Puget Sound, Goucher</p>
<p>Physics Harvey Mudd, Carleton, Reed, Swarthmore, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, Haverford, Grinnell, Williams, Whitman, Amherst, Rose-Hulman, Stevens Institute of Technology, Oberlin, Wabash, Gustavus Adolphus, Colorado School of Mines, Bryn Mawr College, Lawrence U, Wesleyan, Bethel, Pomona, William and Mary, St. Olaf, Beloit, Bates, Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Kalamazoo, Earlham, Kenyon, Rhodes, Macalester, Franklin & Marshall, Bowdoin</p>
<p>Geology 5 College Consortium, Hamilton, Bates, Williams, Occidental, Bryn Mawr, William & Mary, Sewanee, Caltech, Franklin & Marshall, Carleton, Earlham, Beloit, Wittenberg, Albion, Juniata, Macalester, Pomona, Bowdoin, Whitman, Puget Sound, Colgate, Colorado College, Cornell College, Hope, Vassar, Allegheny, Dickinson, Bucknell, Middlebury, Lawrence, Wesleyan
Engineering Harvey Mudd, Lafayette, Swarthmore, Smith, Bucknell, Union, Trinity
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<p>Can someone post a list of good LAC in Computer science?</p>
<p>Amherst 75% is not 1550. I refuse to believe there are as many as 100 kids with higher M+V score than me. ;-)</p>
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<p>I'm not concerned with challenging science and math courses, but Humanities and Social science courses at Swarthmore are very time consuming. Not all science and math oriented students like to spends tons of hours on essay writing.</p>
<p>Actually, I'd say that it's the science courses here that are very time-consuming. The labs take forever.</p>
<p>I think most LACs biology (and chemistry?) departments attract a lot of students who plan to go to medical school after college. So their main focus in college is getting great grades, not pure interest in sciences and research. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Seems like Reed and Swarthmore are less attractive for med school oriented kids because it is very hard to get good grades there.</p>
<p>This chart is handy because it's all in one place (pick out schools on the science and math lists but not on the humanities and social science lists):</p>
<p>REED</a> COLLEGE PHD PRODUCTIVITY</p>
<p>The lists are clearly not all-inclusive, but schools listed have demonstrated good undergrad prep for grad school, especially for those going into research and academia.</p>
<p>You might want to look at Rice. It's very LAC-like for a small research university.</p>
<p>And I'd throw in Brown alongside Rice and DMouth mentions as worth checking out. I'm a chemistry student at Brown, feel free to PM me if you're interested in learning more about that.</p>