<p>Does anyone know whether they ask who gave me alcohol?</p>
<p>Icarus - ''start treating students as adults'' - when they act like an adult - and obey the laws - which in effect - drinking under 21 is not legal - and when one gets caught there are ramifications.</p>
<p>If society is going to say that one is an adult at age 18, how they act should not change the fact that they should be treated as such - which means that any ramifications should be addressed to the student, not their parents.
Just because they do something illegal doesn't mean their parents should be notified - thats just childish. Do you also think that the police should call the parents of everyone they arrest just because they did something illegal? Like I said... its a sad, infantile policy.</p>
<p>ICARUS - well society does seem to deem 18 yo as adults - but that does not preclude the laws of this country and the policies of schools regarging underage drinking doe it??</p>
<p>When a student accepts admission to a school - they are also accepting the laws of the state where the school is - the rules/regulations/policies of that school - and I guess if they aren't able to do that - they need to go elsewhere. Notification of parents for underage occurances by the police is up to each individual police department - but things that occur on campuses are considered breaches of policy - which the student has agreed to in some form - and if the policy states that parents will be notified - guess what!!! they will be.</p>
<p>Being 18 may give one cause to think they are an adult - as one does gain certain rights - but not the right to break the law - still considered a minor in that respect when it comes to alcohol. So wonder what you think when a student is expelled for having/finding/using drugs on campus - which is a NO tolerance situation at most schools - many schools have alot more tolerance to alcohol than to drugs - which is illegal at ANY age.</p>
<p>I would hope that most schools have a privacy code about almost any university information for crazy parents wanting to know stuff. So I understand Icarus' point about universities treating adults like adults. It isn't high school. (The poor guy must go to a smaller school.) But again, JeepMOM's is right about knowing the rules and the consequences but I'd be willing to bet that anybody thinks those are pretty stupid rules.</p>
<p>So basically, you're arguing about two different things. Validity of rules and obeying them. And you're both right.</p>
<p>ILLINIJ - thank you - yes 2 different issues i agree - but....... privacy code has nothing to do with this (I suppose/assume you are talking about the confidentiality law once one turns 18) - it is a policy situation - and i guess one might think the rules are a bit stupid - tho they have agreed to follow them - til one gets caught and has to pay the consequences - then many do think twice - the rules about alcohol are law related tho. Guess more students need to really read that handbook/code from their schools - I would bet that a few here would be really surprised at what they have ''really'' agreed to by being a student there - there is no excuse for ignorance - and best to be forwarned of consequences than to assume...... But hey - many a time one does not get caught regarding alcohol - but someday..................</p>
<p>And that kid behind the wheel - legally intoxicated - had better think about 20 times before he/she turns the key - make yourself very aware of all the possible consequences of that and how the law is applied - again - just a legal matter for one to consider..........</p>
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<p>I'm pretty sure you're just speaking in general, but I just want to make it clear to everyone that I wasn't driving while intoxicated. Just walking back to my own apartment.</p>
<p>And I found out today that if I was caught at a party but not drinking (including off-campus apartments), I would be written up again. Meaning I would be pretty screwed at that point. So yeah, no more partying for a while.</p>
<p>ADCONRAD - no - my comment was a general one - sorry if you took it to heart - not intended that way at all.</p>
<p>That same policy applies at my DD's schools as well - she being written up in the dorm for being in a room where open container was present - and she NOT drinking - and put on dorm probation for 90 days!!! - but hey - them's the rules - sure makes ya think twice</p>
<p>^ It doesn't just apply to the dorms, but to pretty much any apartment complex outside of the surrounding area as well.</p>
<p>I know Washington State notifies parents of any drinking violations. The Prez said it has not been tested in court under privacy laws yet.</p>
<p>You can all blame the US Dept of Edu on the parental notification - as it is actually law - and is being adopted in most states - and most schools/states are developing their own policies on its use for on and off campus - it is the legal exception to the confidentiality laws that protect students in many other ways - actually has been effect for several years now.</p>
<p>Every state/school has the right to determine when parental notification will be utilized - to include the on-campus and off-campus authorities/police from the local level to the state level.</p>
<p>Guess the US Dept of Edu felt something had to be done to curb the drinking and the legal aspects to which that affects. From the point of view that alcohol and drugs contribute to sooo many issues and problems - injuries and deaths - it is an issues that has to be addressed on many levels.</p>
<p>So - sorry to burst anyones bubble that this is a ''college student being an adult'' issue - it is not - it is a legal issue all the way around.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think we need stricter laws here... Half our campus got trashed yesterday on the first day of term from about 2000 people getting drunk.</p>
<p>So wonder what you think when a student is expelled for having/finding/using drugs on campus - which is a NO tolerance situation at most schools - many schools have alot more tolerance to alcohol than to drugs - which is illegal at ANY age.</p>
<p>I have no problem with this - but my problem is not for the student getting busted for something that's illegal. My problem is that the school has the need to go tell the parents of a legal adult that they did something wrong. I meant to say with my police example that I was referring to someone much older. Say it's a 28 year old graduate student who gets busted for something... anything really. Do you think the school should have a policy that they will notify this student's parents of the offense? And if so, why? What point does it serve?
I also have a problem with the drinking age in this country, but thats a matter for a different thread...</p>
<p>And also, I don't deny that one accepts the rules of a particular university when they decide to attend it - I'm just saying that the policy itself is wrong.</p>
<p>The parental notification is for underage offenses/breaking the law - not the 28 yo - unless they are aiding/abetting/buying/serving underage drinkers - then they would face legal action - but the 28 yo would not be under the parental notification situation</p>
<p>yes, but for the purposes of the law, under 18 is underage, not 21. And as you said yourself, if a school has a parental notification, the students have to abide by it - does it make sense for the same to apply to the 28 y/o grad student?
Anyway, this is getting repetative, but I hope I've made my point.</p>
<p>"yes, but for the purposes of the law, under 18 is underage, not 21. And as you said yourself, if a school has a parental notification, the students have to abide by it - does it make sense for the same to apply to the 28 y/o grad student?
Anyway, this is getting repetative, but I hope I've made my point."</p>
<p>Your point is totally clear and has been totally clear for a few pages. Seems to me like some people in this thread are just looking for any opportunity to pull the condescension card and/or are just not paying close attention to what you're saying.</p>
<p>right on ^^</p>
<p>at my school, the first strike for alcohol will land you a $50 fine and you have to take an alcohol awareness course through the internet. you can get written up if you're hanging around people who are drinking, even if you're sober.</p>
<p>parental notification for an alcohol strike is ridiculous. doesn't the school have better things to do than tattling on kids for drinking?</p>
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<p>Damn I wish I could do it through the Internet, lol.</p>
<p>At my school (Univ. of Rochester), there is an unwritten rule that the Rochester Police Department is not allowed to be on campus unless something really really really really big has happened.
Otherwise what security supposively does at broken up parties is just tell everyone to get out.</p>
<p>In my country you can drink as soon as you hit 18....I dont understand why the US allows people to drive at 16 but not drink until youre 21, Id much rather have my son( when I have one) drinking (responsibly) than driving.</p>