Legacy REJECTS

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damitsam: I don't understand why your mom would want you to bother with going to any school for just one year (especially only freshman year). Why bother? Why not just stay in T?</p>

<p>Since you haven't said what your parents income level is, it may be that they are providing all they can.

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<p>Since I couldnt get into UT business :( (No I aint in the top 5% of my class ).</p>

<p>My Family income is around 110k a year. ( I know right). They are NOT providing me with all they can give me. Not even close.</p>

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<p>My friend had legacy through her father and grandfather at Maclester (and they donated a lot of money) and she had stats well above their average and she got denied. Not even wait-listed! It was shocking. In the letter they even said "this may be a hard decision to take because of your legacy standing" or something like that</p>

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<p>Can you say "entitlement"? Neither a few thousand dollars a year nor the fact that you went to a college means your son or daughter is entitled to admission, especially in a competitive admissions climate.</p>

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<p>My friend had a double legacy at Yale, but she was rejected. She got into Harvard. Go figure :p.</p>

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<p>i just wanted to highlight on a minor issue in this thread...</p>

<p>many a times ive seen parents showing contempt over the fact that their donations help int'ls instaed of their own children...</p>

<p>for instance this comment: "now I have to fork over big bucks for tuition while my taxes and previous donations are supporting alcohol abusers and international students."</p>

<p>may i make a point that this is very parochial of many parents...i frankly don't see whats wrong in int'ls attending ur universities...and since many are poor...recieving aid too.</p>

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<p>here's soome information i read in an admission book</p>

<p>only if ur parent attended an under-grad college at the univ, is ur legacy likely to be looked upon seriously. For instance, if ur dad attended Harvard S of Business...don't expect much of a legacy partiality if ur applyin under-grad</p>

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<p>Arjun - each school approaches the legacy issue differently. For instance, UVA treats anyone whose parent received any degree, grad or undergrad, from UVA as legacy. Other schools will count grandparents as well as parents. Others, it is a parent who received an undergrad degree only.</p>

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<p>is having a grandfather who attended considered to be legacy? specifically at UVA AND GW?</p>

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<p>Both Brown and Emory also consider the kids of grad parents as legacies.</p>

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<p>My daughter's boyfriend is a double legacy at Cornell. He applied EA and was flat out rejected. The good news -- He has since been admitted to Macalester, Michigan, Univ of Rochester, and is waiting on Johns Hopkins. His scores and grades were excellent. Go figure.</p>

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<p>At UVA, it's just parent. You can usually find this info on each school's website.</p>

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<p>Legacy denial or defer--which is more humane. I have a D who is likely to apply early to UVA as a legacy. Just yesterday, I had a discussion with her exploring the possibility that she may get deferred and asking what her ED2 school might be. She was shocked to find out that if accepted at her ED2 school she could not attend UVA if admitted later regular decision. Hence, while a deferreal under those circumstances would seem more humane, an outright rejection would take these young adults off the horns of a dillema (ie. what to do if so wedded to a school as to apply ED1 when deferred if chances at every other school not applied to ED2 go way down). It used to be easier.</p>

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<p>It would be good if colleges would truthfully tell legacy parents what a deferral really means. Or heck, tell everybody! Even if they could send you statistics that indicate the number of legacy applicants that were ultimately admitted over the past ten years, it might help with the decision. I suspect that the numbers are really, really low for everybody. After the stress of application and all of the waiting, it would be difficult to hold out scant hope for another couple of months.</p>

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<p>the question that comes to my mind about this whole legacy thing is whether when all is said and done, the entering classes will have the same percentages of legacy admists as prior years -- ie, whether the number of "slots" have still been allocated to legacies. </p>

<p>in other words, are legacies getting less of a boost because as admissions become more competitive legacy status means less; or is legacy admission getting harder simply becasue more legacies are applying for the "slots" available for them?</p>

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<p>My son is applying Regular Decision - not sole choice early action - to the Ivy school that I graduated from. We are waiting to hear from them. Two comments related to comments others have made in this thread.: If he is not accepted and would not be at or near the top of the waiting list, I would much prefer to get a rejection letter than a waitlist letter. I think that the colleges which send waitlist letters to hundreds/thousands of students as a badge that they met minimal qualifications for that school are doing those applicants a disservice. All it does is stretch out the angst/uncertainty/inability to make plans and move on. And, secondly, I don't see giving peference to a legacy who applies early decision or early action but denying it to one who applies regular decision. In my son's case we applied regular decision to my alma mater because it is a sole choice early action scholl. We wanted him to apply early action elsewhere at less competitive schools he liked and get at least one acceptance under his belt and be able to forget about applying to many other schools as backups during the regular decision process. I think that was a vailid strategy. And it said nothing to indicate that my college was not his first choice.</p>

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<p>Sunny, our S was rejected at H's alma mater, where our D is currently a junior. S already had an academic record with the university after he attended a regular summer session after his junior year in h/s and took three classes, all of which he passed. He is a NM Semi-Finalist; strong SAT's; 3 AP's senior year; average cumulative GPA; good ec's. He did not apply for financial aid. In S's list of colleges, it was a match, not a stretch, and he was applying from in-state. His academic profile was on par with the typical applicant to this university. </p>

<p>H and I also contributed financially to the new university center as founding members of the center. We donate to their alumni association every year. Between us, we hold three degrees from the university system, and we are well-acquainted with the campus. Legacy is not a consideration, as far as we know, so our history and involvement really had no bearing on his app. </p>

<p>We were surprised, but not hurt by the rejection. The day before, he had been admitted to the stretchiest of his stretches, so the rejection from the college that had become a second home to our family was more like a kick in the pants! Every year, there are fickle decisions like this when it really is hard to explain why a student was rejected at one college that seemed like a lock and accepted to another that seemed impossible at the time of application. :p</p>

<p>S was lukewarm about going there all along and really was leaning toward someplace new. In the end, it simplified his choices. He has to finish his senior year academically strong in order to maintain his admission to his stretch. </p>

<p>It did change our perspective, though, and H and I are no longer willing to tolerate the bureaucratic incompetence and disorganization we've put up with for years in dealing with this university. We don't mind the, "Hey, Dude," culture as long as things make sense overall. S's rejection doesn't make sense to anyone we've talked to, and to me, it seemed personal. Our D went to battle with university housing earlier this year, and we backed her up as she pursued breaking her housing contract. She was eventually successful because she was able to make a case against the housing office at her college for knowingly tolerating binge drinking within the university residences. We may have harshed the wrong person's mellow (borrowing from SBmom)! :p</p>

<p>Who knows? In any case, S is happy with his choices for next Fall. :)</p>

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<p>jOHN ROSS,</p>

<p>You might want to speak with the folk in the Alumni Office before you decide to take that approach regarding EDI at UVa. and EDII elsewhere (if UVa is your child's first choice). We were told that there is a difference between the way they judge credentials in ED and RD. ED goes strictly by numbers since time to review the applications is so short. In RD, other factors kick in: EC's, essays, etc. So it is quite possible to be deferred EDI and be admitted RD, depending on what are the strengths in your daughter's application.</p>

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<p>CAMI215 - Thank you for the suggestion. I intend to speak with them in a few weeks. It is the first on my list of questions. If true, it would certainly change the whole ED strategy play.</p>

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<p>i assume you kids know that this is the parents forum and that you are going to get our thoughts on this.
i am saddened that your generation thinks that they are owed. if you want it, and your parents cannot afford it or won't pay for it, then yes, the answer is get a job and figure it out. it truly shocks me that some kids are expecting their parents and families to give up everything just so that they can have have have. kids, thank you is always correct.
parents are supposed to support their children with love, kindness and care not gifts, money and possessions. if you have food, shelter, and your necessities paid for (and cable tv is not a necessity) then young lady you have a nerve getting on here and criticizing your parents.</p>

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<p>eli, as a long time ivy interviewer I can tell you that applying ED/EA is certainly taken as a MAJOR sign of your interest. I don't think you can have it both ways. Most kids wish they could use their ED option at a match and a reach, but they can't. I think legacies who don't elect to apply early need to assume their chances are lower.</p>

<p>Sluggbugg, you seem to be talking about the UC system. Don't take it personally. They really don't look at legacies (my good friend works in admissions) unless you have made a very major donation and someone very senior steps in on your behalf.</p>