<p>If one of my siblings will be at Penn when I apply, does it officially count as a legacy?</p>
<p>reads siblings who have attended......to I guess you can list your sib and see what it counts for. I would say yes....but you can call the admissions office to be certain.</p>
<p>It is not considered a legacy and you will not be able to use the ACA (Alumni Council on Admissions) services. However, if they ask about siblings on the application they might consider it during the application process. </p>
<p>From the ACA website:</p>
<p>What is a legacy?</p>
<p>Children and grandchildren of all University of Pennsylvania degree recipients are considered legacies during the undergraduate admissions process.
<a href="http://www.alumni.upenn.edu/aca/faq.html#g2%5B/url%5D">http://www.alumni.upenn.edu/aca/faq.html#g2</a></p>
<p>Oh. I did not know that Penn also looks for Grandchildren as legacies. Does anyone know if they value a Grandparent any different than a Parent attending the School? I ask because my grandfather attended penn.</p>
<p>Is there an advantage for legacies to apply Early Decision?
Legacies who apply Early Decision maximize the benefit of their alumni tie. Since Early Decision is binding, however, it is only encouraged to apply early if Penn is the applicant's first choice institution.</p>
<p>Class of 2009 Early Decision Statistics</p>
<p>· There were 3,420 total applications in this year's EDP pool, a new record high. Penn admitted 1,169 of these (34.2%).</p>
<p>· The average combined SAT score for students admitted during EDP is 1413 (694V + 719M).</p>
<p>Legacies:
· There were 523 legacy applicants in the EDP pool, down 5.8% from last years 555. 254 of these students were admitted (48.6%).</p>
<p>· The Alumni Council on Admissions has completed a total of 708 interviews of legacy applicants from June 2004 thru December 2004. With Regular Decision and Transfer candidates still coming in, we anticipate finishing the '04-'05 admissions cycle with more than 750 interviews.</p>
<p>I've noticed generally that legacies have great luck, especially if they are good students.</p>
<p>I'd say definitely it is an advantage to apply to most schools as a legacy.</p>
<p>Just as a question because I'm trying to see... The avg score for All EDPs includes those for legacy apps, right?</p>
<p>hehehe. No wonder I got in (3 years ago) I was overqualified... :)</p>
<p>I'd like to know what the legacy data itself is. A lot of those legacies could have been great students regardless of their titles.</p>
<p>legendofmax... that was kinda my point :)</p>
<p>I think what people seem to not pay attention to is that people who went to Ivies are usually pretty likely to expect their kids to work hard, get good grades and at least <em>go</em> to college- most aren't the creepy "OMG, U MUST GO TO MY ALMA MATER!!!!!ONE!!!" type, but there's more pressure there...</p>
<p>You mean the class stats from previous classes?? Is that what you want to know??
<a href="http://www.alumni.upenn.edu/aca/admissionstats.html%5B/url%5D">www.alumni.upenn.edu/aca/admissionstats.html</a></p>
<p>No, I think the argument was that since they don't give out the avg. SAT data for Legacies as a group, you don't know if they're in the top of bottom half of that overall number.</p>
<p>By legacy I do not mean "old" data, sorry. I was referring to data of legacy-titled applicants independent from the rest of the applicants. It would show how the standards change depending on whether or not you were legacy.</p>
<p>muppetcoat: Well I think that's why legacies aren't always "bad" students in that sense. That's why adcoms look more favorably on good first-gen students because they did well without college-educated parents. However, a legacy applying to Penn would have parents that went to a great college and thus would have a child that would most likely develop many of the same academic habits and disciplines. Legacies can definitely be great students... it's just odd when I see cases that prove otherwise. One of my fellow students is a legacy at USC but is not that great of a student at all, but alas, his grandfather helped BUILD the damn campus...</p>
<p>My understanding from legacy parents is that the ED time is when the legacy advantage kicks in.....in-other-words....use it or lose it kinda thing. So it would be interesting to know in that competitive pool whether the legacies pull the SAT stat down. I do know that at my previous HS the legacy admits were not always the top in stats but they had a great drive to be there and succeed. An element of family pride and expectation......failure would have been a double whammy.</p>
<p>I understand completely. I remember going in for my alumni interview (and I really hate posting my stats, but let's just say I was well above the avg sat for ED admits THIS year, let alone when I applied), and the guy in front of me, his grandfather was talking to the woman about how his grandson had "a bunch of Cs" but that the Grandfather had "donated a ton of money"... it made me hella nervous, since my parents don't donate.</p>
<p>What you are describing is a development admit.....a more refined breed...an AKC registered, sure bet best in show. The winning ticket as it were. Hey....they could have been paying part of your way with a Penn Grant so don't scrunch up your shorts.....there is a reason for every form of life.</p>
<p>It's unfortunate that money can have so much power, but then again, these universities are businesses. They can do what they please, and sometimes merit just doesn't impress as much.</p>
<p>The way I see it if a student of lesser stat is willing to pay for 6 of top stat then the lesser one has made Penn a better institution. I am familiar with a legacy whose family pays for 2 of own and 6 others every year. That is only a portion of what they do.</p>
<p>I value all incompetent admits. They help my curve. ;)</p>
<p>Seriously, every legacy admit I know personally is pretty damn smart.</p>
<p>Gotta go give a tour now.</p>