<p>Newmassdad, Are you joking? Funny because I just took Statistics and Decision Models at Columbia this fall and got Honors grades in both. Haha, that is why one shows 25-75% fields. You can clearly see trends with this.</p>
<p>Honestly I hope to never defend the "lower" Ivies again. But people continually try to seperate HYPSM and then lump the other Ivies in with UCB and Michigan. This is so clearly not the case. It happens all the time, and the lower Ivies have much more in common with HYPSM than with Michigan or UCB.</p>
<p>Also, I am simply defending the "lower Ivies" against being put in the same category as UM (as Alexandre loves to do). They are so much closer in resources and student bodies to HYPS, and trying to place them in another category is also boring and trite. The fact that you mention comparisons between Michigan "Honors" and Dartmouth as more fair shows exactly what I am trying to say, that the "lower Ivies" are higher level institutions for undergrads. Michigan Honors and the Ivies is a much more reasonable comparison on that front. </p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder whether you can read yourself. I am simply defending a place like Dartmouth as not comparable to Michigan. Thank you for helping me assert this.</p>