<p>Alexandre,</p>
<p>I feel absolutely the same way towards the "lower" Ivies. They are close to HYPS quality (in varying degrees), and trying to say there are huge distinctions between them and HYPS is what get me defending them. </p>
<p>I think Michigan is a fine university, and for a determined student will open as many doors as Dartmouth or Harvard. </p>
<p>Newmassdad, for someone flaunting decison models and statistics, to try to play the raw numbers game is amusing.</p>