lets face it guys.. dartmouth < then

<p>Columbia. Notice on this board, people are wayy too defensive about Dartmouth's prestige. you know why? because it is relatively unknown on the internatinoal level and has NO WHERE NEAR the reputation of colelges such as columbia/penn. if u check columbia or penn's board u will see that people are way more secure about its prestige because everyone knows about them.</p>

<p>Sure, people who "matter" probably have heard about dartmouth.. and thast cool.. and im not saying that it gives a worse education or anyting</p>

<p>all im saying is that dartmouth in no way has an advantage in terms of academics over penn/columbia.. they may be the same for all i know</p>

<p>but penn/columbia have a CLEAR advantage in terms of reputation and location.. so why would there even be a debate?</p>

<p>Ben,</p>

<p>If I were you I would go with Penn or Columbia, based on your post and your concerns you'll fit in there better.</p>

<p>I don't think Dartmouth would not be a good fit for you, you seem pretty intense and city-like. </p>

<p>Dartmouth is in the country and students are a bit more laid-back and easy-going.</p>

<p>I realize you are pretty knew to all this stuff (7th post and all) so I hope that helps, good luck!</p>

<p>Penn and Columbia are great choices to have.</p>

<p>Honestly Ben, I agree with Kalidescope. Went I went to Columbia my first year all I heard was whining about being rejected from HYPS. Guess what, no one ever cared at Dartmouth because they all LOVE it!! </p>

<p>And location? Do you know how fun it is to be with 4000 awesome cool kids with endless awesome parties, outdoor activites, cultural events, study abroad, snowball fights, backyard football, etc? And the way people all keep in touch after they graduate? Where people come back to visit years after they graduate. No you wont, will you. </p>

<p>Go to Columbia. Please. Maybe you'll see something I didnt.</p>

<p>Oh yeah, and when I applied to schools in the late 90s Penn was a safety school and WashU was where kids who didnt get into Vanderbilt went. Emory was ranked #9. See what I mean. None of this matters.</p>

<p>I agree with the above posts; you have more of a Penn or Columbia vibe. Where ever you go you will excel if you fit in or feel more comfort with the atmosphere of the school and student body of the school you’ll be a part of. </p>

<p>I don’t know you, but based on your post I would definitely think Dartmouth would not be for you, especially if being in the city is important to you. Have you considered Johns Hopkins or NYU? </p>

<p>If you were accepted at Penn and Columbia you have a difficult choice: do you like the core curriculum or are you more of a pre-professional type? Both are urban schools but the curriculum and spirit of the two are quite different. Penn is probably less intense, Columbia more intellectual.</p>

<p>you said "Dartmouth is < then".....you should have used "than." </p>

<p>Go to Columbia.</p>

<p>"It is, Sir, as I have said, a small college. And yet there are those who love it!"</p>

<p>The story:</p>

<p>In Hanover, New Hampshire, his other triumphs pale beside Daniel Webster's defense of his alma mater in the Dartmouth College Case, 17 U.S. (4 Wheat.) 518 (1819). By his will, Eleazar Wheelock, Dartmouth's founder who died in 1779, passed the presidency of the college to his son, John. In 1815 the predominantly Federalist board of trustees, appointed under the provisions of the college's 1769 charter from the colonial governor, became involved in a dispute with John that led to his ouster, and he appealed to the state's Republican politicians for help. At first opportunity they passed laws packing the board with Republicans and changing the college into a university subject to supervision by the state. The old trustees contested the validity of the new laws in the state courts, where they lost.</p>

<p>On appeal to the Supreme Court, the principal question was whether the state had impaired the obligation of a contract, i.e., the college's 1769 charter, in violation of the contract clause of the Constitution. The case was argued before the Supreme Court in March 1818, with Webster and Joseph Hopkinson of Philadelphia presenting the argument for the college. When the Court convened in February 1819, Chief Justice Marshall delivered his opinion, holding that the new state laws violated the contract clause and were therefore invalid. Although subsequent decisions substantially limited the broad protection of contracts announced by Marshall, most historians agree that the decision played an important role in the early growth and prosperity of the American republic.</p>

<p>Today the case is remembered most for the eloquent and emotional plea that Webster added to his prepared peroration but omitted from the subsequently published text of his argument. Rufus Choate, in his eulogy of Webster delivered at Dartmouth College in 1853, first revealed to the world at large this dramatic event, as related to him by Chauncey A. Goodrich, professor of oratory at Yale, who was there. According to legend, Webster had apparently finished his argument. He stood silently before the Court for some moments, all eyes turned toward him. Then, addressing the Chief Justice, he began:(4)</p>

<pre><code>This, Sir, is my case! It is the case not merely of that humble institution, it is the case of every college in our Land! It is more! It is the case of every eleemosynary institution throughout our country -- .... It is more! It is, in some sense, the case of every man among us who has property of which he may be stripped, for the question is simply this: "Shall our State Legislatures be allowed to take that which is not their own, to turn it from its original use, and apply it to such ends and purposes as they in their discretion shall see fit!"

Sir, you may destroy this little institution; it is weak, it is in your hands! I know it is one of the lesser lights in the literary horizon of our country. You may put it out! But if you do so, you must carry through your work! You must extinguish, one after another, all those great lights of science which for more than a century have thrown their radiance over our land! It is, Sir, as I have said, a small college. And yet there are those who love it!
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<p>Here, according to Goodrich, Webster broke down. "His lips quivered; his firm cheeks trembled with emotion; his eyes were filled with tears; his voice choked; and he seemed struggling to the utmost, simply to gain that mastery over himself which might save him from an unmanly burst of feeling." Then, in a "few broken words of tenderness," he spoke of his love for Dartmouth and the difficulties of his early life. The Chief Justice's eyes, reported Goodrich, were "suffused with tears," and Justice Washington, at his side, wore "an eager, troubled look." Then, recovering "his composure and fixing his keen eye on the Chief Justice," Webster, "in that deep tone with which he sometimes thrilled the heart of an audience," exclaimed:</p>

<pre><code>Sir, I know not how others may feel [glancing at the opponents of the college before him], but for myself, when I see my Alma Mater surrounded, like Caesar in the senate house, by those who are reiterating stab upon stab, I would not for this right hand have her say to me, "Et tu quoque, mi fili!"
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<p>< than = less than than</p>

<p>benshen7 sounds like another one of those who need to validate their position of attending Columbia Engineering school by attacking another school in light of the fact it's own university is too emabrrassed to make the engineering shool a part of its undergraduate school when reporting to media, college guide, etc. It's always Columbia College only. </p>

<p>If anything, I thought Dartmouth was least prestige obsessed and Columbia/Penn among the most.</p>

<p>Dartmouth doesn’t really rely on prestige to have a sense of what it is. Dartmouth is unique in and of itself, it happens to be in the Ivy League so it’s kind of boxed in with the other 7 schools, but amongst them Dartmouth stands out from the pack as being incomparable; you like Dartmouth for what it stands for within the Ivy League, not for just being in the Ivy League.</p>

<p>If it is important to you to have all these prestige discussions, you need to think about attending one of the other Ivies, which one is up to you but Dartmouth is not the place where these prestige obsessions will be honored and encouraged.</p>

<p>Benshen posted this on Duke's website. He is a Columbia SEAS idiot.</p>

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<p>better hold on tight to ur USNEWS!!! </p>

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<p>while looking at 2 rankings
one based on the US news and one that ranked worldwide universities, u will find that there is a great disparity between certain universities. Some are only famous in the states</p>

<p>Columbia: US-9, worldwide- 10
Duke: US-6, worldwide-38
Georgetown: US-23, worldwide: 255!!!!
Penn: US-5, worldwide- 18</p>

<p>and the list goes on and on
but notice how awesome columbia.. whereas duke is famous in the states but really owes its reputation to a little magazine named USNEWS.. at least its made up by the fact that no one out of the states knows what the heck im talking about when i say "duke university"</p>

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<p>Hmmm...I wonder who is worries about prestige. I transferred out of Columbia because of people like this.</p>

<p>benshen is a tool. Period.</p>

<p>I agree with meltingsnow 12807897%.</p>

<p>hes obviously knows columbia is worse, thats why he has to come all the way over to the dartmouth forum to make himself feel better about it... only someone insecure about columbias prestige would post such a thing</p>

<p>lol u guys crack me up
its ok keep em coming..
kalidescope, fountainsiren, you guys make me bow my head in shame.. and the rest of you
just what i expected</p>

<p>Why did you post this, my friend?</p>

<p>Anyone who would just dismiss Dartmouth for reasons of 'prestige' is extremely shortsighted. Most likely, I will be turning down BOTH Columbia and Penn for Dartmouth. And that's because I liked what I saw at Dartmouth, and I have a strong feeling that's where I want to be for the next four years.</p>

<p>The difference in percieved prestige (and when I say percieved, I mean among those who don't know any better) is because of location. If Dartmouth was in Philadelphia and added a bunch of grad schools, well, it would be very similar to Penn right now. It would be better known, but it would be totally different. Part of what makes Dartmouth such a strong community is the fact that it's a smaller, relatively isolated college with an undergrad focus.</p>

<p>Joey</p>

<p>Dartmouth will get you in the same grad schools. And thats really all that matters at this point. worldwide prestige aint mean nothing. and come on, columbia's dorms are crap. AND how many kids really feel linked to Columbia after their done. Dartmouth has one of the highest alumni giving rates, and Dartmouth alumni are number two, behind Notre Dame, in hiring fellow Dartmouth grads.</p>

<p>Dartmouth was awarded "The Most Lasting Institution" along with Oxford by some big British magazine.</p>

<p>and its funny cause in California, few people think of Duke as an academic institution. We just think they have a good basketball team.</p>

<p>I didn't know Dartmouth was Ivy League when I applied, nor did I care.</p>

<p>I don't give a hoot about prestige as long as I get a good education.</p>

<p>My parents are perfect proof that one does not need to attend a Prestigious School to become a successful person. One went to a small girls' college in Pittsburgh, PA, the other to a huge state school in Florida. My mother was VP of a major corporation and was able to retire early, and my father is a successful doctor. They didn't go to Ivy League schools, and I doubt many people outside the US have heard of Chatham College or care much about UF. Did it matter? No. Chill out about the prestige thing. I'd personally love Dartmouth just as much if it weren't Ivy League, because its academics are highly competitive and very good, and the environment is just wonderful.</p>

<p>But that's just me. If "prestige" turns you on, then go for it.</p>

<p>You know I'm not entirely sure what "Less than then" is supposed to mean anyway.</p>

<p>oooooo salsera</p>

<p>man, all this talk of prestige is making it kinda hot in here. oh man, i think i might have to....</p>

<p>LOL. you put it very nicely</p>