Lewis and Clark vs. Eckerd

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<p>Senior’s Dad, no apologies necessary, your comments made me more excited about the interview my D has at New College on Friday. (Too bad school is not in session this week so we will miss the left of Stalin kids, but we’ve already seen them along with some of the other normal kids there). Incidentally, we left the tour early at UF when we visited last year. My daughter was put off by a superficial conversation by a group of girls she overheard while we were there. Not to bash UF; I think there are many brilliant students there who get a fine education when they are ambitious, but kids can get a degree there with out putting in a lot of effort (into school, that is). My D also does not want to go to school with an active Greek life.</p>

<p>Tslawsky, kind of sad you like to insult people on a college website.</p>

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<p>I keep seeing new posts to my thread but keep wondering why they don’t even mention Eckerd or Lewis and Clark. Emotions run high when it’s our kids, I guess. </p>

<p>I was hoping to hear from people with first hand experience with either of these two schools.</p>

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<p>These were two of my dds top choices last year (she is now a college freshman). She was accepted at both, and L&C moved to her top choice. But, she’s attending Eckerd. Why? Because of the money they awarded her. So far, a few months into her first year, she is very happy. I think at times she still may regret that she didn’t get to attend L&C. Personally, of the two schools, I liked the location of L&C better, but I love the feeling at Eckerd, and the “care” the students seem to be getting.</p>

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<p>ca_mom, so this has been asked a bunch of times, but do you need a car at Eckerd?</p>

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<p>Sr’s dad- sorry to bust your bubble, but New College just isn’t a great college- it’s just a very good one. Ask anyone outside the sunshine state about new college…noone knows.</p>

<p>O and you’re wrong, New College is AN honors college, not THE:</p>

<p>"As the State of Florida’s legislatively-designated “honors college for the liberal arts,”
[New</a> College of Florida - About Us](<a href=“http://www.ncf.edu/about-us]New”>http://www.ncf.edu/about-us)</p>

<p>Also, UF’s honors college is harder to earn entrance into than New College and that’s a fact-Jack.</p>

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<p>"Tslawsky, kind of sad you like to insult people on a college website. "</p>

<p>The difference is perspective- because you agree with Sr dad, you are seeing only 1 side of a debate- that is sad.</p>

<p>I’m responding to insults thrown my way. The only difference is that mine are overt and substantive, the ones aimed at me are subtle and based on someone’s feelings about me, not the points I make.</p>

<p>I’m sorry you don’t have the ability to see that. Then again, you admit that your daughter judged a student body of 50,000 based on a few minutes of a partial conversation she heard from a small group of girls. WOW!, that speaks volumes.</p>

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<p>“No one survives at NCF, no matter how bright, if one doesn’t study.”</p>

<p>Ignorant statement!</p>

<p>“For your information, UF’s honors college has a 2070 (not 1400) requirement with lots of exceptions. A 2070 places one in the top 10 percent at UF, but not quite the top 75 percent at NCF”</p>

<p>Right, so comparing honors colleges- UF’s median honors SAT is about the same as New College’s 75%. Advantage UF.</p>

<p>Nice smoke and mirrors.</p>

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<p>“For your information, UF’s honors college has a 2070 (not 1400) requirement with lots of exceptions. A 2070 places one in the top 10 percent at UF, but not quite the top 75 percent at NCF.”</p>

<p>let’s forget about SAT for now- if you want to see a stat that highlights a gap between the UF honors college and New College’s, look at the ACT:</p>

<p>The median 50% ACT for New College is 29
<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board;

<p>UF’s honors college MINIMUM score is 33
<a href=“http://www.honors.ufl.edu/aboutus.html#admission[/url]”>http://www.honors.ufl.edu/aboutus.html#admission&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>The difference between 29 and 33 is huge. This chasm is profound when you consider that the comparison is median score vs. minimum score.</p>

<p>Now, for the SAT- yes, they changes from a 1400 to a 2070, but there are NO exceptions:
[University</a> of Florida Honors Program: About Us](<a href=“http://www.honors.ufl.edu/aboutus.html#admission]University”>http://www.honors.ufl.edu/aboutus.html#admission)</p>

<p>Also, a 2070 is ~top 15-20% of UF’s body, not 10%. </p>

<p>Your anti UF bias is glaring when you say in an earlier post not to bring up US NEWS rankings but the anti UF rankings you bring up about party school and kids never doing their work are legit? You serious here? You don’t put merit into US NEWS rankings until you want to make the point that UF isn’t as good as other southern schools and use the same rankings tp plead your case? OK…well, it’s your right to be desultory, it just isn’t a very proper way to debate.</p>

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<p>I’ve seen people disagree with you, but not insult you the way you insult others. I’ve seen your posts on other threads. Based on the number of posts you make trying to prove a point, maybe you consider people not agreeing with you a personal insult. Look at how many posts you have made just this morning. Are you going to win a prize here?</p>

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<p>You’re killing me here. Remember this little nugget posted by Sr. Dad? :</p>

<p>“BTW, NCF students tend to scoff at what passes as “education” at other state university system of Florida universities.”</p>

<p>I have 2 masters degrees, both from public schools in Florida. I have friends, and piers some of whom I like, some I don’t, that are both graduates and teachers at these schools. I have been an adjunct for a public Florida University. You don’t think that this statement about “scoffing” was an insult? It was an insult to me personally, and to many of the people I know and respect in the Florida public school system.</p>

<p>Now- my point? That statement was the FIRST insult in this thread. You, miss, have a double standard. Because you agree with the person that cast the first aspersion, that person gets a pass on casting insults about. You disagree with me, so you “call me out” and say what I did was “sad”. Everything I posted has solid justification. The statement above was put out there for the sole reason slandering all Florida public universities and building up New College. </p>

<p>What was my initial response? I didn’t call anyone a jerk or insult them. I researched facts, numbers and figures that proved my point. Using reason to prove a point to some who disagree with one, tends to get some people upset. Sorry!</p>

<p>Do you think it is “sad” that Sr. Dad made the above statement? If so, are you going to call him out in it? Are you so blind in agreeing with him that you don’t even see that as being a heavy hitting insult?</p>

<p>O, and another thing that highlights your double standard- Just because I break my posts up, you’re on me about posting a lot. However, look at the volume of Sr. Dad’s posts- and compare actual volume. </p>

<p>You going to make a snide comment about his posts? Maybe ask him if he is going to win a prize.</p>

<p>Again- if you agree with someone, they get a pass, right? You can always show you don’t have a double standard and call out people that you actually AGREE with on things they do that you don’t agree with.</p>

<p>At least I know I am capable of being objective. If you don’t believe me, consider this- I am as big of a UF fan as there is, but search this board for topics I put out there calling out UF on things they do that I think are wrong.</p>

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<p>Finally, do you really think it is fair to suggest New College to someone without revealing this type of review (not that this doesn’t exist at almost all colleges, but at New College, it is the dominant culture"</p>

<p>"New College of Florida (Sarasota, Fla.)
New College of Florida, a uniquely small and unconventional public institution, “provides challenging courses for highly self-motivated students who want a large amount of control over their academic choices.” It’s all about “self-directed learning” here (“the student decides what she is going to learn and how she is going to learn it”) that leaves undergrads “free to do what they please – with their bodies, their studies, their behavior – but while also being held to high academic standards.” On campus, students enjoy everything “from club meetings to public speakers to ‘hip’ bands playing shows. There’s usually something to do and usually free food to be found!” New College students share “a few things in common: most … are friendly, passionate about the things they believe in, very hard workers, liberal and most of all, try to be open to new experiences.” There is “a fairly strong queer community here, and many transgendered people who have decided to make New College their coming-out grounds. The student body is generally aware of gender issues and respectful of queer people of all types.”</p>

<p>[Top</a> 10 Most Socially Liberal Colleges - MSN Encarta](<a href=“http://spotlight.encarta.msn.com/Features/encnet_Departments_College_default_article_TPRLiberal2010.html]Top”>http://spotlight.encarta.msn.com/Features/encnet_Departments_College_default_article_TPRLiberal2010.html)</p>

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<p>ca mom - thanks for that post. I have heard great things about Eckerd’s attention to student success. How can you beat Eckerd’s location? (unless you are Portland!)</p>

<p>tomslawsky - this thread has nothing to do with New College or Uf. Why debate this on this thread?</p>

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<p>ca mom, if you are still reading this thread, do you feel a car is necessary at Eckerd? Thanks.</p>

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<p>I think it would be a tremendous advantage to have a car. That said, my dd doesn’t have a car, and won’t have one while she’s there. Right now she doesn’t have a driver’s license so she couldn’t have a car. And since we live in CA we’re not going to have her drive a car cross country. She knew all of this before deciding on Eckerd. There is bus service, which she hasn’t used yet. So far she’s been dependent on her roommate and other friends to get out and around.</p>

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<p>You would need a car if you’re going to Eckerd. You may be able to get by without one but realistically it would probably be difficult.</p>

<p>Edit: I was looking at the map and it shows there is a Publix about a mile away and a Kmart a little further on 34th St. Unfortunately, as go further inland the neighborhoods deteriorate and become increasingly dangerous. That part of 34th St. may be alright, but if you go further north on 34th or go East of 275 I think theres certainly cause for concern.</p>

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<p>As I said, my dd will be there for 4 years without a car. She also knows this means she will most likely be living on campus all that time (I’m going to suggest she look into becoming an RA). Only time will tell how she’ll do.</p>

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<p>Strange, I couldn’t get in to edit my last post. </p>

<p>Even though there are stores that aren’t far from the campus, the way the campus is situated, it’s not really walk-able. You have to cross what is essentially a busy highway, and I didn’t see any marked cross walks when we were there.</p>

<p>Yes, it would be easier to get out having a car. There is bus service, I don’t know where all the buses go, or how often they run. As I’ve said, dd is getting along by getting rides from friends. She’ll be taking an airport shuttle to the airport when she comes home over breaks.</p>

<p>If you live close enough, and your student has a car, by all means I’d have them bring it. It just wasn’t an option in dd’s case.</p>

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<p>Okay, one more, lol.</p>

<p>I’m sure if you asked my dd she’d say she’d be better off with her own car, lol.</p>

<p>Unless your student is going to be attending a school that is either, right in the middle of a city within easy walking distance and with good public transit, most schools would “require” a car. My oldest nephew managed to get through both 4 years of college (Tufts) and a couple of years of graduate school at University of Washington without a car. </p>

<p>I guess you have to know your student, why they want to be where they are, and how they’d function without a car.</p>

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<p>ca_mom thanks for your help. Gordon thank you too. This is what I have read over and over again. Just wanted to get your thoughts about it. </p>

<p>Ca_mom, best of luck to your D at Eckerd. I hope that she continues to enjoy her time there.</p>

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<p>They all feel they “need” a car. We had 2 in schools with transit next to large cities. They took advantage of going into the city but they really wanted a car to run to Target, etc. They both had to wait until junior year, as cars got passed down. It was nice when we didn’t have to move them in or out, go get them at holidays, etc. Our 3rd is thinking of schools that I consider too far to drive to with a car so it rules out a car. </p>

<p>If the school is active and the kids are happy they really won’t need to drive anywhere and there should be enough people who are able to have cars and would be willing to give them a lift. Having or not having a car isn’t ruling any schools out for our 3rd child.</p>