Lewis Honors experience?

Seems to be hard to find any student review (here or on other forums) about UKY’s honors college. My daughter will likely apply in the fall but will only consider UKY if she is admitted into Lewis with a full ride. So it’s s long shot, but as a prospective NMF has it on the table as an option. She is mostly applying to small LAC’s but wondering if Lewis would be a good compromise. I know scholarships (and admittance to the honors college) are hit or miss even with her stats:
ACT 36
GPA 4.0 unweighted
3 season varsity athlete/ captain
Editor in chief of Literary Magazine
National writing awards
Many hours of volunteer work etc.

I would love insight as to what Lewis is like, pros and cons, and lastly, I read that a mom missed the deadline to apply for honors dorms because she was waiting on merit $ decisions. Is it that difficult to get o to the honors dorms? Honestly the only thing that would sway my daughter away from a LAC is full tuition/Lewis HC/ Honors residential housing. It seems more and more like it’s an incredibly long shot to get all three. Is this perception accurate?

Sorrr for the typos… typing on my phone-- should have read it over first.

With your daughter’s credentials, honors college seems to be a gimme putt. Are you aware of the Patterson Scholarship? If a National Merit finalist lists Kentucky as their first choice of schools, the Patterson is automatic. My daughter is a Patterson Scholar and it’s a sweet deal.

@2manycollegequestions4me The Patterson Scholarship @AuntieFascist mentions is an awesome deal, and I agree with her that your D should have an excellent shot at Lewis Honors also. Not sure if you have been following recent news about UK’s scholarships, but they have forecasted significant changes. Unfortunately, I don’t think we know yet what is going to happen to the Patterson scholarship (automatic full ride for NMFs only). The website now says they are going to put out info in early August, so I am guessing we will know then.

We are in the same boat with you (my DS18). Really anxious to know what UK is going to do.

Congrats on terrific stats.

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/20255350#Comment_20255350

Just my opinion, but I think too much weight can be put on the Honors Programs, at any school.

There are many paths to a rich & worthwhile academic experience, if a student is motivated and seeks out opportunities.

Both my daughter and her roommate liked being in the Honors Dorm last year, but truthfully, they saw other students with just as good or even better dorm situations (other LLCs).

Both of them are turning down the chance to live in Lewis next year, and are living off campus, in hopes of living frugally and “pocketing” the extra money from their Room & Board Stipend (Patterson Scholarship).

Both of them thought being in Honors required meeting certain requirements (credit hours) that were more of a pain to fit into their schedules than benefit.

There is so much opportunity to get involved on campus or in your department, that has nothing to do with the honors program.

Be sure to look at the Chellgren Center for Undergraduate Excellence at the UK website.

Adding, in the past few years, there have been reports of high stats students NOT getting into the Honors Program at UK. It is not a huge program with a lot of open slots. Run the numbers, and you’ll find the acceptance rate is low.

And if you look up the different Living Learning Communities (Programs?) at UK, there is a wide variety from Engineering, to Ag, to Biz, to StemCats, etc.

The smart students are not all holed up in the Honors Program & in Lewis. They are all over campus!

The Patterson isn’t guaranteed though right? Not like Alabama and Oklahoma… I wouldn’t want to put it down as her first choice on NM unless I knew she was going to get it for certain. Very confused still on how the National Merit racket all works… It seems like they make the process deliberately complicated. On Kentucky’s website it isn’t clear but it sounds like Patterson isn’t automatic. Am I wrong on this?

I guess I’ve spent too much time on CC because I am going into this whole process hopeful yet pessimistic. Was reading a few posts on here from parents with top stat kids who were very disappointed with what they received in merit from UKY.

Sorry, I posted that without reading the other replies (hadn’t refreshed my browser.) Thank you for the info on dorms and living learning communities. I know my daughter likes the idea of a smaller community and so that’s where the honors college/dorm perk seemed like a good compromise even at such a large school

I have read the reports about honors… there are simply not enough slots for all of the well qualities applicants. Honestly though that would be a deal breaker, but I’m assuming that information would be given to us in March with her acceptance letter… right?

*Qualified ugh! Sorry

@Midwest67 – Thank you, that is an interesting perspective. I guess I keep thinking honors college = small, intimate experience, smaller classes, more one on one with professors. The fact that the cons outweighed the pros for your daughters makes me wonder if the pros really even exist at Lewis?

Thanks @LOUKYDAD Good to know about the changes for Patterson… will have to wait and see.

@2manycollegequestions4me

Beginning of August, the new scholarship info should be up at the UK web site for the incoming class 2018, and you’ll know more.

For our D’s class, yes, the Patterson was automatic. It’s an amazing deal. Our D is on a career path that will necessitate grad school, so getting a UG degree for free is a leg up. We are avoiding financial hardship.

No, despite being in Honors, her classes freshman year have not been small & intimate, and yes, she was disappointed that her classes first semester seemed “too easy”. On the other hand, she had time to get involved in different clubs and activities on campus, get a part-time job off-campus, come home at least once a month, and have some fun. She had complained bitterly in HS that all she had time to do was study, and do homework.

Also, she discovered a pre-health major that would not have been offered at other schools at the top of her list. It wasn’t on her radar when she was looking at colleges senior year of high school.

She had to apply to be accepted into the major. With her AP and CLEP credits, plus taking a couple online classes over winter break, she had sophomore standing her first year, and applied to the major. If all goes well, she can graduate in two more years, instead of three more. However, if she wanted to stretch it out, she could add a minor, and maybe do study abroad her fouth year, on the Patterson Scholarship still.

A professor noticed the quality of her research paper first semester and encouraged her to apply for the Chellgren UG Fellowship. Bright, motivated students WILL get noticed, even at a large university.

All of this to say, none of this was involved in the college selection process. It was all, “Kid, I’m sorry, but you need to go to the best, least expensive school on this list”. She has made the best of it, and is taking advantage of opportunities we didn’t even know existed when we were first looking at UK. And none of it is in the Honors Progam.

I’m not knocking the Honors Program, I just trying to inject some reality because it seems really, really important to some people. As you say, not getting in is a dealbreaker for your daughter. I think that would be throwing out the baby with the bath water, especially if she is looking at a full ride. But, my kid felt the same way. She wanted to be in Honors for the sake of being in Honors, because she thought it would be “better”, but it’s not better, it’s just different.
For example, her engineering friends are very happy in the Engineering LLP (and not being in Honors).

Adding…I went to a small well-regarded LAC. I wanted nothing to do with our state flagship. No big schools! I wanted small classes with personal attention. Life has a sense of humor! I quickly felt suffocated on the small campus and felt like I had zero privacy. Junior year, I went to our state flagship on a program as a visiting student, to escape. I LOVED it. I couldn’t believe I had dismissed it so quickly when I was in high school. I don’t mean to knock LACs either, just want to emphasize that it’s so hard to know what your future self is going to want or what kinds of doors will open up.

Our oldest daughter just graduated from our state flagship, and after her departmental convocation, four professors walked over to our family and began to gush about her. This is at a huge school. Going to school at a big U will get more intimate as you advance in your major and if you take advantage of what is offered --internships, research, office hours, doing good work, participating in class, etc.

Good luck!

Historically Patterson has been automatic like Bama and OU. Financially better actually since Bama and OU weren’t completely full ride, while Patterson has been.

Once again, may end up being new ball game though for HS class of 2018.

@midwest67 I cannot tell you how much I appreciate you taking the time to write all of that! That was so very helpful in so many ways. Lots of information to digest but I can’t wait to pass that on to her. You addressed so many prejudices/misconceptions that I have about large schools that I think I have inadvertently passed along to her in our search. Thank you so much.

Thanks @LOUKYDAD-- I will be holding my breath this month hoping they don’t change it :frowning:

Any idea about what your D will major in?

Psychology but she is not sure if from there she will go the PhD route (most likely focusing on research rather than clinical psychology) or Pre-Med (possibly psychiatry.) She is drawn to schools like Kenyon because of the writing focus though. While she doesn’t necessarily think she wants to make a career out of writing, she enjoys it quite a bit and would like it to be a part of her undergrad experience. Study abroad is also important to her.

Sounds almost opposite of my DS18. Leas writing, more math is more his speed. But he only got a 35 on the ACT so I guess that is to be expected.

A couple more things that may or may not be of interest. Check out the Stemcats LLP. DS thinks it might be a better fit for him than the honors dorm.

https://stemcats.as.uky.edu/faqs-5

UK has a Neuroscience major that may make sense with her objectives.

http://www.uky.edu/registrar/sites/www.uky.edu.registrar/files/neumajor.pdf