<p>“God made us all straight, at birth” Really bro? So you have some divine connection with God right? Because that’s the only way you could possibly know that, considering there isn’t anything in the bible specifically banning being gay.</p>
<p>kthxbye.</p>
<p>Leviticus 18:22 identifies homosexual sex as an abomination, a detestable sin.</p>
<p>Romans 1:26-27 declares homosexual desires and actions to be shameful, unnatural, lustful, and indecent.</p>
<p>First Corinthians 6:9 states that homosexuals are unrighteous and will not inherit the kingdom of God. </p>
<p>Since both homosexual desires and actions are condemned in the Bible, it is clear that homosexuals “marrying” is not God’s will, and would be, in fact, sinful.</p>
<p>Boom & thanks orangeblood.</p>
<p>I definitely disagree with all the biblical citations here, and I want to point out that I don’t necessarily agree with these people. But I do think that jumping to such outrageous conclusions so quickly is a bit rash. You don’t know what experiences they could have had, or what could be causing their actions. All the same, it doesn’t seem as though their beliefs are adequately founded here. If there is no reason behind what they say, then it makes the belief and the resulting action wrong (any philosophy majors, see Clifford).</p>
<p>I will respond to your post on a point by point basis.</p>
<p>“I do not agree with you that it’s reasonable’ to not want to room with a gay student. It is not now, nor has it ever been, ‘brave’ to join in with the prejudiced majority when dealing with a minority.”</p>
<p>I, again, disagree with homophobic individuals are in the majority. It could, perhaps, be the case that homophobic individuals tend to avoid me (which would make sense), but I have never had experience with even one of them to evidence their existence. I am sure they exist, as evidenced by mistreatment, and even a suicide that I heard about yesterday on NPR, but I doubt their existence is nearly as frequent as many would claim.</p>
<p>“Even when the day comes that you and my son have full civil rights in every state in this nation, it will not be brave to refuse to share living space with either of you or any gay person.”</p>
<p>The only right I lack is that of marriage, and I don’t want to get married, so I’m not concerned. I think the whole institution of marriage should be abolished. I already addressed the issue of bravery, and you will note that I did not say that it is brave to refuse to share a living space with any person. I did say it was brave to admit to such a thing when you know that you’ll face criticism as a result.</p>
<p>“Do you think it’s reasonable to not want to room with a Christian, a person of color, or someone from Italy?”</p>
<p>In some cases, yes. I would not want to room with a Christian who was so fanitical in his or her beliefs that I feared for my life due to my sexual orientation or agnosticism. It all depends on the situation.</p>
<p>“In other words, one of the many things college is about is learning to live with people who are different from you.”</p>
<p>Not unconditionally.</p>
<p>“If gay people were know predators, that would be one thing but they are not and to treat them as such is deplorable.”</p>
<p>Maybe you don’t remember college, but everyone is sexually active, and this can result in unusual behavior. I’ve known some pretty creepy straight guys, creepy gay guys, creepy straight girls, and creepy gay girls. This is why I would not want to live with a straight girl who was attracted to me. You may not experience this, but that doesn’t make it wrong for someone else to experience this.</p>
<p>“In our case, the other student put up such a fuss that my son put in for a room change. At first the university denied the request but when my son met with housing and said he felt unsafe, they agreed. No one should have to learn how to live with a bigot.”</p>
<p>Nothing to argue with here. I’m sorry your son had to deal with such apparent ignorance.</p>
<p>My point was that there are definitely some logical reasons a male, straight peer of mine could provide to not want to live with me, and reasons that I would agree with.</p>
<p>Reading the previous few posts, I don’t necessarily agree that this is the present situation.</p>
<p>To the OP: one of my friends is the Vice President of Pride at UF (basically an organization for gay students to feel good about themselves, I think).</p>
<p>If you like, I could put you in touch with her. Send me a message if you’re interested.</p>
<p>Goodness I love when people only read new texts of their bibles and don’t care enough about their own religion to know more about it then atheists. No big deal though.</p>
<p>The original translation of Leviticus 18:22 states: And with a male, thou shalt not lie down in a woman’s bed; it is an abomination. The only abomination represented by this passage is that it is wrong to sleep with another man, in the bed you share with your wife, it does not state that sleeping with another male is wrong or immoral.</p>
<p>Romans 1:26-27 doesn’t state that, read some history on the culture of when that passage was written.</p>
<p>1st Corinthians 6:9 doesn’t say that either, the original text is referring to females who lie with males in sexual misconduct. In fact, the original text says that wealthy people won’t be admitted into “The kingdom of God”. </p>
<p>The bible condemns specific acts of homosexuality, not homosexuality itself. You sit here and lead your life by a book, but in the end you look at the wrong version of it. All you’re doing is living your life by the views whoever translated the previous version. If you’re so intent on having all of your views on life from a book, perhaps you should learn ancient languages and interpret the text yourself. As opposed to reading someones translations when they obviously have a hidden agenda. </p>
<p>Anyway, I’m done derailing this thread.</p>
<p>I’m also done with this thread. I have my beliefs & none of you all are going to change them. You have your & I’m not going to change them. </p>
<p>People look, act, think & are different from one another. No opinion is right to every single person & your never going to make everyone happy.</p>
<p>Are people quoting [url=<a href=“http://biblebabble.curbjaw.com/laws.htm]Levictus[/url”>Bible Babble - The Laws of the Bible]Levictus[/url</a>], where it also says you shouldn’t wear clothes of more than one fabric or those who curse God should be killed and not to cut you hair and are expected to be taken seriously?</p>
<p>I sorry to post this but I mean come on? If you don’t follow all of the other laws in the book then don’t quote one rule in it and use it to justify your bigotry.</p>
<p>I sorry too that you don’t speak English</p>
<p>To the OP, I hope that none of this bigotry represents the general consensus of students at UF. That would be down right sad and would reflect poorly on the Gator Nation. Best wishes to you man, I hope it all works out :)</p>
<p>Dear AreaCar;</p>
<p>First let me start by saying that that little kid jcold9 is only 18 years old = pretty immature and not ready to leave the nest who has probably being brainwashed by his parents before he was even conceived, so do not pay attention to whatever it was he said… Moving on, your sexuality is exactly that: your sexuality. What I mean is that it is absolutely nobody else’s problem other than yours, with that I’m not telling you to stay in the closet, I’m just saying that it’s up to you to come out when you’re comfortable and it’s up to you to share it with somebody when you and only you feel comfortable sharing it with that person. I made my first gay friend when I was 16, I kinda knew and had an idea he was gay but still he didn’t mention anything about until about 5-6 months of being friends, was I offended? no. because I’m a girl? maybe. However I have lesbian friends also and it’s been both ways, some are like “hi nice to meet you I’m lesbian” and others just simply carry on their conversations normally and eventually mention something like “oh my girl and I when out on date last night” Have I felt uncomfortable? no. Why? Because as you should know, your sexuality doesn’t make you a better or worse person. it’s just sexuality, It does not mean you’re better suited for president or serial killer. You shouldn’t let your sexuality define who you really are as person. Don’t feel like you’re obligated to tell everybody you meet that you’re gay because you don’t have to. Only do so when you feel comfortable, ready and in the right setting.</p>
<p>Now, to the roommate thing. I honestly believe it’s up to you to disclose it or not. It’s not like you’re planning on having a crush on your roommate and it’s not like you need to disclose that you “have chicken pox so please-don’t-stand-anywhere-near-me-or-you’ll-get-it-too” I think it can go either way, you might have a very open minded roommate who won’t care whether your gay, white, black, asian, orange, purple or green OR you might get the ignorant, close minded, brainwashed, hillbilly, or redneck type of roommate as in jcold9 and we don’t want that for you. I would think it would be best for you to test out your roommate first and get to know him a little bit before you mention you’re gay. That’s right, mention honey. It’;s not a confession you need to make, that’s your business and only yours. Once you get to know him a little bit you’ll be able to know whether you got an open minded or an ignorant roommate. i will also recommend if you happen to tell your roommate you’re gay, you might want to do it in a neutral environment, and in a casual way so that he doesn’t feel like you’re confessing your love to him and then he might feel uncomfortable. Who knows, you might even get a roommate that’s never home so you don’t even need to bother telling him anything.</p>
<p>In the end sweetie, your sexuality is yours; I think it’s great that you feel ready to come out, but don’t just jump out there; do it slowly, you know, just like when you first go in the ocean you dip your toes first and you only go in if the water feels warm, kinda the same thing here… Good luck with your roommate assignment, and never let anybody make you feel ashamed of who you are, they’re the only ones that should be ashamed for judging somebody else. Put your paws up!</p>
<p>And for those who don’t know what LGBT… it stands for Lesbians, Gay, Bisexuals and Transexuals.</p>
<p>I said I was done, but all you “open minded” people that go on bashing me & calling me “ignorant, close minded, brainwashed, hillbilly, or redneck” just because I wouldn’t be comfortable with living with a gay person is crazy. You console AreaCar because his not normal sexual preference but the second someone disagrees with his belief you jump down their (my) throat. To me, that makes you closed minded for seeing only one side, the side that you think is right. </p>
<p>Kttn tried to be the mature one, but had to dive down to a Kentucky stereotype of everyone being “hillbilly or redneck” from there? Good job, hun, way to insult an entire state with untrue steriotypes. Real mature.</p>
<p>Wowww this thread is rediculous. I wouldn’t want to have a gay roommate, it would just be weird. I’m not here to make a scene about it, but thats just my preference. Who you’re living with for a year is kind of important and I definitely have more than one preference. And Steel88, the KJV isn’t any more accurate than NIV. Both are translations. If you really want to get technical you’re gonna need to know some Hebrew and a whole lot of history.</p>
<p>I don’t know if it’s possible at this point, but maybe you should try to find a roommate online or something beforehand who wouldn’t be uncomfortable living with a gay person and just request each other. This could help to take some of the worry and uncertainty about your living situation out of the way.</p>
<p>I met a previous roommate through facebook, and she let me know she was bisexual before we agreed to room together. It didn’t bother me at all, so we decided to be roommates, but finding a roommate this way allowed her to screen out anyone who might be homophobic. Maybe this could work for you.</p>
<p>Way to not even read my post mitchamafied.</p>
<p>And Jcold, you’re right in that most people are close minded and only see one side. I try to see both sides, I was thinking last night that I have no problem with a person who is anti-gay if they’ve come to that conclusion on their own. But taking your opinion from a book or a church official is where I begin to have a problem. But perhaps that’s because I think the country is mainly sheep who can’t form their own opinions anyway. So, sorry if I came off as hateful.</p>
<p>A guy in my building this semester recently moved out after having a problem living with a gay roommate. While he didn’t seem like a tolerant person and no one was surprised to see him leave, I’ve noticed that his roommate and the boyfriend (both great guys) appear to spend every waking and sleeping moment together. Behavior like that, between gay or straight couples, would make anyone uncomfortable, especially when two people sharing a small room becomes three people sharing a small room. Establishing solid communication and mutual respect is key in getting along as roommates, but it will only get you so far with certain people.</p>
<p>As an aside, that the guy was permitted a room transfer after he complained leads me to believe that the campus housing department has difficulty curtailing LGBT sleepovers, despite a fairly strict policy against opposite-sex sleepovers.</p>
<p>Alright jcold9, all I’m going to bother to reply are these two things:</p>
<p>First of all, when I mentioned you on my post, I was only citing you as an example of somebody that could fall into any of those categories I mentioned, I was trying to speak in general but you decided to feel like the post was all about you. If you felt alluded with all of those categories, then there might be a reason why you feel that way…</p>
<p>Second, read my post again, the word Kentucky does not appear anywhere in my post, and if you thought that I was stereotyping all the people in Kentucky, which as I said I wasn’t because it’s nowhere in my post, -and I didn’t even know you were from Kentucky, then there might be some truth in that stereotype that you seem identify yourself with; since you read my post as if I was bashing you when all I was doing was trying to give some advise to a guy asking for it, and you seemed as a good example of one of all the different types of personalities that he could come across of. The post wasn’t about you, you’re not the subject in this thread. </p>
<p>Let’s not hijack other people’s threads. If you feel like going deep into an argument then go ahead and send me a private message, but this particular thread is for answering that other guy’s question. Don’t spoil it.</p>
<p>Oh, and BTW, my boyfriend is from Kentucky.</p>
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<p>His sexual preference is normal. Among all mammals there are members who prefer same-sex partners. It’s perfectly normal and natural. In your opinion, it’s not compatible with Christianity. That’s something completely different. </p>
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<p>Being open-minded is not the same as letting your brain fall out of your head. I’m not open-minded to the side of people who are racist. For a long time the bible was used to justify slavery and then to justify racism itself. Those people were wrong. People who are afraid of gays and lesbians, people who cannot handle living in the same space, are just as wrong. </p>
<p>You are young, very young. College is going to be a truly eye opening experience for you. I hope you’ll be open to it.</p>
<p>How could I go about figuring out if someone (using roombug) is fine with an LGBT roommate without actually telling them that I am gay or implying it?</p>
<p>Maybe say that one of your cousins is gay, and that he often does business in Florida so he might stay over on occasion?</p>
<p>And if he ever asks where this gay cousin is, just say that his company apparently pays for hotels.</p>
<p>I understand where jcold is coming from with his desire to change rooms. Like what rankinr said, I know I feel very awkward around a girl who appears to be attracted to me, when I am not attracted to her; I feel that is the kind of feeling jcold is saying would make him want to change rooms—the feeling that the person you may be with on a daily basis is attracted to you when you aren’t attracted to him or her. </p>
<p>AreaCar, I’ve seen several people (myself included) who mention in their bios that they want a roommate who is open-minded and tolerant; words like that are things I’d look for first, then maybe just ask after that. If you don’t want to come out to any potential roommate, just start up a conversation to get to know the person over all and include that as a question, mixed in with other general questions.</p>