Life Ruining Decisions

This is going to be a long story. I wish I found this website before I entered any colleges.

Before we begin, I have zero debt. However I have a lot more to lose than money, and I don’t have much money either.

There are definitely questions for me to ask, but I may as well share my story…

Here I am about to graduate. I walk the stage but something is amiss. Did I pick the right major? Right classes? Right College? While every adviser and my family seemed cheery enough that I graduated Summa Cum Laude of chemistry with full scholarship, everything was absolutely wrong to me.

I went to my dean to speak about my troubles. I always found it odd the science department dean is separate for the one which handles everyone else. So I decide to ask him about career prospects. He recommends to enroll in a PhD or Forensics program. It all sounds logical for a science major but then I felt unconfident about what I learned. I have a major which felt challenging enough, and a concentration that… was larger than the minor?

That’s when he drops the bomb on me. Both of those programs are soft. He tells me he’s already in hot water with the president of the college.

Shocked by this information I kept googling tons of information about majors, forums, unemployment statistics, and college rankings. That’s when the pattern appeared: Public, Private, and For Profit.

All the signs rang as I found them in searches. Heavily exaggerated student employment stats, propaganda that focuses on anomalies in their student population… if these people are even real. Advisers that now, seem hardly concerned with how their students fair professionally. Students left crying in their final semester with the agony that they never got accepted into a Research Experience for Undergraduates program. Classes injected into majors from other disciplines in a disturbing way, as if trying to bolster a failing department somewhere else.

You may think, I should have seen this coming. I had other choices. I was accepted into the city honors program but the grit of the public schools seemed to phase me. My family seemed to want the best haven for me. I was simply a naive 18 year old, and they…

Well, one lost a whole bachelors degree over a single credit, another earned in 2 bad associates degrees. One majored in marketing to work in a physical labor job. Another person didn’t really start their life until 35, to get fired and restart at age 50. Living in a neighborhood where music plays with such deep bass the sound is never heard, simply felt by every car on the block, which then explode into noise and release their sirens. I’m definitely an insomniac, this whole experience for 6 years has made me stop eating, sleeping, exercising. I’m just a very sickly skeleton now.

And for what? A chemistry program that needs a reinforcement of class by a whopping 20-25 class units. At this point I’m disenchanted of even pursuing a career in this subject.

Now for the question… do I TRANSFER or not? There’s a twist.

Yes, a transfer from a technically graduated, sickly senior. Why consider this? That scholarship was actually in a sense, legit. FAFSA was untouched. If I’m not mistaken, don’t those last for 6 years?

A shimmer in the darkness. I can transfer to a community college, and if my estimates are correct I could comfortably earn a solid degree in 4 years, possibly only spending anywhere from 8k to nearly zilch. Of course I’m worried about losing my fantastic GPA, tons of college credits, a quarter of my life but I love my family that much to save them that money, which I would never request. I’d just have to get a job in this awful economy to pay for my next college span.

So… should I TRANSFER? What losses would I incur? How to I explain to employers that I have earned a total of over 200 credit hours during 10 years holding only one bachelor degree? I don’t know my destination college well except for a ton of bad reviews, harsh discrimination against second degree seekers and a definitely dangerous neighborhood.

Of course I’ve been completely shaken by these thoughts to completely stop eating and sleeping for weeks. But the neighborhood noise is also killing me.

Meanwhile I’ve said all of this and more to my family.
“Drop out of college, school is stupid.”
“You’ve spent too much time in school, get a job.”
“Stop being so depressed, you can get a job anywhere. You have what nobody else has: a bachelors degree.”
“I wasted 20 years of my life in the streets and I didn’t complain. You’re still a kid.”
“I’ll help you find a job in no time.”

I feel as if it would require a gauntlet of years, labor, money, and stress regardless of what I do. I’ve been contemplating suicide or just giving up. Suicide hotlines just hang up all the time, doctors telling me about how they regret their own lives, telling me how many college majors get shot down in today’s market when they’re actually my therapist. My family is angry of couse that my therapist is actually making me feel worse and arguing with them, but I know why. It’s because he and I and all of you now know. I’m not the crazy one, but the entire world around me is madness.

I just need help. A rendition of “I have no mouth yet I must scream.” I try to tell anyone and they just interrupt and tell me to shut up and stop panicking, ignoring all my quantitative and qualitative investigation of my issue. Literally nobody else understands the problem but me, because nobody wants to understand. The school guidance counselor is useless. The career center surprisingly helpful if only subtly hinting things in the college aren’t well. I just have to scream to anyone who will listen. Please write back.

You totally lost me with this story. Sorry, but I don’t understand what is going on or what you are asking. Maybe you could sum everything up in a shorter version that is not so abstract???

The college website says it is accredited by the Middle States Commission of Higher Education (MSCHE), but checking here http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/Search.aspx displays zero results. Should I make calls to verify and report this?

@takeitallin Okay, abstract. Family persuaded me into joining a very bad college. They’re not smart to understand what I’m telling them. This is not an education to lose financial aid over. I would have graduated, but thinking of just starting over again.

But yeah, read the fine lines in my wall of text so you can understand how bad it feels to never be understood. Like how you asked me to make it shoter.

Sorry but it really was not clear what you were talking about. I have never heard the expression "both of these programs are soft ". Yes, if you don’t know if the program you are in is accredited than you should follow up to confirm. I don’t know what school you are referring to, but you can also check for accreditation here: http://www.msche.org/institutions_directory.asp.

Hopefully you will find out your program is OK. If you still can’t locate your school, then email or call the MSCHE directly on Monday. Good luck.

Yeah, I’m very lost as well.

You’re about to graduate, and you’ll have a Bachelor’s Degree, right?

Middle States isn’t the same as “government” (state???) accreditation, but it IS highly thought of. Check with them.

The part about not sleeping or eating for weeks is what prompted me to respond, along with the title of this thread. I think you need to speak to a mental health professional.

Educational decisions are NOT “life ruining.” You haven’t broken any laws, you haven’t hurt anyone. You haven’t even accumulated any debt. Your life is not, by any standard, ruined.

The entire post flows like a very badly written novel… or overly dramatic tumblr monologue.

Basically from what I can understand, OP went to a For Profit school for 6 years and the program that he was is shutting down.

Start over again from community college OP and get a part time job for work experience on your resume…

@takeitallin What it means is those educational programs are missing in education, slack on grades, and such. I’ve heard from various sources the college curriculum lacks some teaching. Their education for that major is short by 5 entire 5 unit classes. Or at least it appears, by comparing to another colleges program.

Your MSCHE link comes up good, thankfully. So that one agency accredits the college, and the USDE accredits that agency. I’m still skeptical however as to how few of any kind of class transfers in and out to other colleges.

@bjkmom Recent discussions about accrediting and for profits led me to investigate. However, @takeitallin 's link shows the college is not rated “for profit,” so I may be more okay than I thought. It’s private.

However, articles like this (http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/02/pf/college/for-profit-college-degree/) make me extremely worried when I look back at the past.

As of now, maybe I was paranoid. Still, a ton of signs from the above article feel true. So I still have reason to be worried.

@OhSorryYo that’s about right. I feel like the college isn’t doing well. The nurse died 2 years ago and we haven’t had a replacement. I had to take an irrelevant course to cover a course no longer being offered for that major. I do have reason to worry.

There is some kind of blame being tossed around, but we’re not sure for what.

If you feel comfortable naming your school we might be of more help. If I understand correctly, you have already received a bachelor’s, you have no loans, the school is accredited and it is a private school. Has anyone at the school or elsewhere indicated that your degree is invalid? The article you cite is not valid if your school is a regular, private 4-year university. Do they have a career center or offer job placement??? It does sound like you are over-reacting unless there is something we don’t know. The rambling nature of your post does mesh with someone who has not slept for a long time. No one here is being mean, but out of concern I would suggest that you talk to someone- maybe a mental health counselor at your school if that is still available. Best wishes.

Transfer.
But you should realize this- even if your classes dont transfer, you will be able to KICK ASS at your new college and get GREAT GRADES since much of the material will already be familiar to you.
You arent the only student that this happened to, but its time to take a deeeeeep breathe, and realize you can make the most of this situation - that is if you want to.

@JustOneDad I just feel very bad for having been brought into this college. Everyone I speak to doesn’t understand the importance of a good education from a trustworthy college. If an education from a college is incomplete it’s not a good thing.

@takeitallin I’m afraid of naming my school. I’ll private message you, but I may consider posting later.

I don’t get it. Your voice makes it sound as if you felt you had no choice.

I am also lost. It appears that you are close to graduating (this semester or next?) with a degree that you feel is worthless and now you want a do over. Correct? Does your school have accreditation? Will your credits transfer? Is this a for profit school?

I think you need a reality check. Yes, you can try transferring and starting over. If you transfer before graduating, you will be a transfer student. You should still be eligible for Federal aid such as direct loans and maybe a Pell grant. Most colleges require at least two years to earn a degree at their school. So you will not receive credit for more than two years. Financial aid will be less since you are transfer student so this could be a very expensive path and could take more than two years. Going to Community College makes no sense if your current school is accredited unless you just want to a certificate type program.

The options appear to be:

Still the course and graduate, Work a few years and take the time to decide what you truly want to do, You do not have to work in the field you study. It will be easier to find a job if you do or if you work in a related field. My father also major in chemistry. After he graduated he found out he hated it and switch to chemical sales and had an extremely successful career.

Graduate and get a masters in a new field. This doesn’t seem like a good option since you don’t have a firm idea of what you want.

Transfer and get a different degree. Without a clear idea of what you want to study, this path doesn’t seem like a good idea. It could also be very expensive. Do you live near a state school where you can live at home?

I would not worry about what a future employer will think. What they care about is what you can do and what experience you have.

@noname87 Accredation from MSCHE. I currently qualify for full $5775 Pell Grant, mostly unused. MSCHE lists as “Private Non Profit” but the cost per credit is insane, and I do know students with 20k debt.

A know a few students in masters programs. Both imply the program was not strong enough to prepare them for the masters.

Yes, I live near a state school I can get to via train.

Can you afford to transfer? As a Junior transfer, you should be eligible for $7500 in loans and $5775 Pell (based on what you posted) so the budget is roughly $13,000. How many semester of Pell grant do you have left? If you are independent, then the loan limits may be different.

I have most semesters of Pell left, so I’m researching as fast as I can to see if a transfer is right.

Okay, receiving word back. Maybe things are not so bad. I may be overreacting.