Liiist. Callin you out. (Another Gay Thread)

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<p>^, yea, with hetero hardcore makeout in public, its pretty much the same (bad). There is just something so dirtily exhibitionist about people who do stuff like that, or they just do not acknowledge that they are in public place and are therefore inconsiderate ■■■■■■■. </p>

<p>Also, I have been thinking about gay people and their predicament, and I have just come up with what I call the big gay paradox. Bear with me for a minute please, and if you dont wanna read, just skip it and call me an ingorant hatemonger. </p>

<p>The big gay paradox:</p>

<p>So, gay people are born gay, which implies a genetic difference between themselves, and other groups of people. This evidence is also supported by higher concentrations of testosterone, and a mean IQ that is 115 (if you do not know about IQ, the mean IQ of all humans is calibrated to be 100) which is about 1 standard deviation above the mean. So, if being gay is an allele, then there is some significant differences between people with and without the gay allele. Here is the crux of my point. Never in the history of America have people (sociopolitical groups, not necessarily individuals) who are inherently different been “just accepted” into American culture. This is true of immigrant groups who migrated here, and it is true of already existing classes that have gained political power (some examples in chronological order include non-baptised males, non land owning males, catholic males, post reconstruction blacks, women, post civil rights blacks, and now homosexual males). The reason why America is not accepting of new groups is because the current power holders realize that by accepting the new class of people, they will loose power and influence in the long run. In the end, the new groups are accepted only by changing their culture to fit into the archetypal culture of America, while at the same time, by their culture being accepted into America, they fundamentally change American culture, and the influence they exert on american culture is directly proportional to the size of their population. So while it is a diffult time to adjust, in the end, it is a happy story, and I believe that the end will come in aprox 15 years for gay culture. But instead of taking a hint from the past success of historical struggles, gay culture just seems to complain about being not accepted and not fitting in. If gay people really want to be accepted into america, i think they have to give up what they are “most proud of”, their gayness (not as in homosexuality, but in the flamboyant gay pride parade lifestyle that I refered to earlier).</p>

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<p>Tom, I agree with some of what you say. I’m not exactly proud to be a homosexual, I don’t think its something to be proud of. I just want to be treated like a normal human being. I think that I should have every single right that you have. Which we do have, besides getting married, and adoption. I can’t adopt a kid, I would be considered an unfit father ! How ridiculous!</p>

<p>Flamboyant gay pride parades are pretty dumb as we’ve been through. I’d rather go down to South Beach in Miami and hook up with some hispanic guys rather than have a big pride festival. Haha.</p>

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<p>^ and you my friend are the new generation of gay people, welcome to america.</p>

<p>about the adoption thing, its about the flamboyant gay people, nobody cares about regular gay people adopting a child, but what if one of those flamboyant pride people adopted one and had tons of sex infront of it, and raised it in a sick twisted way (IMO not very likely, but that is what most of america fears). Once that stereotype dies because gay people will be normal, you will have the same rights as everyone else.</p>

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Several groups have yet to “take a hint” and they still “complain.”</p>

<p>Back to the original topic, I’m a straight female. I have several family members that are gay (biologically related and family-friends that may as well be my uncles).
I think it can be a combination of nature and nurture, with strong biological ties (ie nuture only- if a girl was severely raped when she was younger, and ‘becomes’ a lesbian from it, who’s to say she would or would not have been gay anyway?)
I personally don’t have an opinion on gay pride parades.
As towards the issue as a whole, I’m of the mindset that whatever doesn’t affect me is fine. Go ahead and do whatever you want.
Imo, since homosexuality has been seen and recorded in nature, why is it abnormal in humans? Humans are, after all, just animals.</p>

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<p>Because something about that one book? Didn’t somebody say it was an abomination or something? Something to that extent ;)</p>

<p>That’s why it will never be accepted, Johnson. I’m glad you’re open to it. I’m so glad to see positive responses on here. It seems like those that are more educated are less likely to be against homosexuality, in my opinion.</p>

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<p>^^johnson, what groups are you talking about, i dont get the hint sorry.</p>

<p>my posting specifically regards male homosexuality, not about LBT stuff. And while people who are abused may have homoerotic fantasies or homosexual relations, most of the time, they are not gay in the traditional sense and have not tie to the gay culture, or the gay allele.</p>

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<p>I personally don’t think being Gay is a choice. </p>

<p>On the other hand, I DO think that being STRAIGHT is a choice… I mean, if you feel uncomfortable with yourself being GAY, and if you don’t want to be GAY, then just live a straight life…If that sounds ignorant on my part, then live a gay life…I know I’m making it sound easy but there is no need for it to make it hard either.</p>

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<p>Damn it guys! Just try something really gay and see if you like it. I remember doing some stupid **** in the 5th grade so I can say that I’ve tried the other side before.</p>

<p>We should come up with a slogan like “take one in the fanny, save money on a nanny” and start a campaign for gay awareness.</p>

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<p>Liist, that would kind of help our reasoning. I mean think about it, if you would have liked it you would be gay now probably, because you already know. So, being gay isn’t a choice but I think you believe that now.</p>

<p>I don’t like that slogan, you’re making it seem like being gay is benefiting overpopulation and that gay people shouldn’t / don’t have families. Surrogates, and adoption is always available (besides in Florida go friggen figure). </p>

<p>But besides that I think you’re pretty open to gays, so that’s kinda better. lol</p>

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<p>What the hell? That slogan is…odd… And what is with you and overpopulation, Liist?</p>

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Ahh, no no, you misunderstood. I do realize that there are genetic differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals - I’m not saying that people -choose- an orientation. I am saying, however, how -far- people want to pursue this orientation. A meek homosexual who acts like a normal heterosexual will gain my respect, but I don’t have much adoration for those who are blatantly singing the praises of “gay pride” in the streets, be it rallies, social groups, or anything else. Why should being homosexual be made into a sort of special thing? If people are born that way, as you say, then homosexuality is nothing more strange than being heterosexual, and you certainly don’t see heteros having parades to show off their “straight pride”. As Tom mentioned, if a group wants to end the oppression and integrate itself into the culture, they need to stop drawing attention and pointing fingers at themselves a la pot calling the kettle black.</p>

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Took the words right out of my mouth.</p>

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<p>VIVI - You don’t see straight parades or you don’t see national day of silence’s for straight people, because they aren’t discriminated against. They have no reason too. For the 74th time, I dont’ support gay pride. I really do think that we deserve every right that a straight person does though. I’m not trying to make it a special thing, and it shouldn’t be. But tell that to the people who make the laws. I think all gay parades and gay pride should stop, but will it? The thing that needs to change is gay adoption and gay marriage. Once that changes, i’ll be 100% satisfied :)</p>

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<p>California has legalized gay marriage, where I live. I don’t know about other states, though (looks like you live in Florida).</p>

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<p>Invoyable ~ Florida is the farthest from Gay Marriage yet.</p>

<p>But I may go to college in Calif (if not guessed from LMU) so who knows :)</p>

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<p>^I’d wager that Louisiana is further than Florida.</p>

<p>And unfortunately, Californians are probably going to overturn gay marriage in November.</p>

<p>Tom- I was hinting at any group that has had major struggles in the past 100 years or so. This includes Civil Rights- there is still a lot of discrimination based on of race and sex. These groups should not just ‘stop complaining’ and change who they are just because of prejudices.</p>

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<p>Really, the only way to be accepted into American culture is to become a part of it, and I do think they should change to fit american culture if they want to end prejudice. (thats how… everyone ended prejudice against them, im just saying if they really want to solve the problem, then solve it). </p>

<p>This was all IMO, when you get into what people should do, theres not really any facts.</p>

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<p>Why L.A farther than FL?</p>

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<p>^ But what is “American” culture?</p>

<p>The mom, dad, 2.4 kids, a dog, and a picket fence?
I can guarantee nobody here has that.</p>

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<p>LMU: Because Louisiana is one of the most conservative states (outside of the major cities especially).</p>

<p>For example, if Roe v. Wade were to be overturned tomorrow (and make the decision a state-based decision), Louisiana would automatically outlaw abortion immediately (it’s part of state legislation already in place).
(This is NOT to start an abortion debate- it’s just an example of socially conservative policy).</p>

<p>Also, Florida is not necessarily a Red state- it could still go to Obama. There is no way that McCain is going to lose Louisiana.</p>

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<p>no, just stop looking different. If I was a political strategist for gay/meican/black/whoever people, i would say end the pride parades and blend in, get good jobs, watch football games, and stop talking with a weird girly voice, get to know the american people, and they will get to know you, and accept you. Regarding mexicans, stop waving mexican flags at your illegal immigrant rallies, and please learn to speak english, and for african americans, i dont want to go there because its too touchy for an online forum. </p>

<p>As far as american culture, its not as much about adhering to the culture itself as it is about not sticking out. aka pride parades, overt femineness (for gay men) While america likes to believe that it loves diversity and welcomes new people, that is, and has never been true, it fears change, and it fears loosing power, so if your not so different, there is nothing to fear.</p>

<p>and dont say i am ignorant or stupid or whatever, because those arent neseccarily my beliefs, this is just how I have analyzed america and how it looks like it works to me.</p>