Likely? Was I misleading?

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not dumb people, but lazy people, or less motivated academically... most of them

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Keep on digging. I guess you didn't get admitted based upon you diplomatic skills or a lack of prejudice. Does not speak well for your school.</p>

<p>Your college advisor is not an admissions officer at an Ivy League school, so I think his/her opinion of that situation is purely that, an opinion. I haven't seen an Ivy League website that publishes a list of schools exempted from the AI. If you have such a link, please post it.</p>

<p>With 190 graduating seniors, the calculation I come up with to be in the low-low band is 74th class rank, which is still upper half of his class.</p>

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and it is also VERY OBVIOUS how much more the school and the student body weighs the boys hockey, boys lax and football program more than their counterpart....

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I'm glad you and your classmates enjoy those contests. If running a school were based upon the popular opinions of the students... That sounds like the inmates running the asylum! I think your judgements are a bit clouded.</p>

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<p>The concept of not using AI for applicants from certain schools doesn't sound right to me. Coaches may not have to meet it on an individual athlete basis which allows for some outliers on the downside who could probably be from any school but on an average basis across teams or programs I was under the impression that it did have to be met.</p>

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<p>goaliedad, you are going against 4 people's experience, good show and none of the top BS reports ranks either, plus AI uses weighted rank, since we dont weigh GPA, you cant even approximate a rank to use AI</p>

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goaliedad, you are going against 4 people's experience, good show

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Yup. 4 people's experience. Yup.</p>

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<p>Hey, Bearcats, say hello to your roommate, Blueliner, for us! ;)</p>

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<p>The fact is, even tho our field hockey team dominate in NE, most of our field hockey team arent recruits, more than half the field hockey team work their way up from JV and thirds hockey and worked their way up, the captain this year, amazing player, 4 year senior, honor roll every year...</p>

<p>while basically the ENTIRE hockey team are recruits, with the exception of a few of them</p>

<p>p.s i dont think blueliner goes to hotchkiss, since he refered to AESD lol</p>

<p>but tuftsucks is in my classs..lucky man, accepted early to brown</p>

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<p>i dont think blueliner goes to hotchkiss, since he refered to AESD lol</p>

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<p>Pretty sure your girls hockey team is almost entirely recruited also, at least in the sales sense of the word. Have seen Coach Cooper at a lot of events spending a lot of quality time with prospective players. Maybe all those players were in the ballpark academically and he didn't have to compromise school standards to get them in, but helping them stand out from the crowd may have happened. And that team is not a team of people who work their way up from JV. The girls hockey pool is not that deep. Those that can play varsity can usually do it from the day they come to school and those in the JV ranks are more developmental and only occassionally make the jump. Actually makes the varsity level players more valuable and sought after.</p>

<p>Success of the field hockey team has been very impressive. Robin Chandler has done a great job with them. She was a pretty impressive athlete herself when at Hotchkiss. Varsity in three sports all four years?</p>

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<p>Ms Cooper is the girls soccer coach!! and Mr Cooper is not the field hockey coach either</p>

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<p>The first paragraph I should have been more specific but I meant ice hockey and I was referring to John Cooper, the varsity hockey coach. Then the second paragraph I actually am complimenting you on the field hockey team which is coached by Ms. Chandler. I may not attend Hotchkiss but I am fully aware of who coaches what teams.</p>

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<p>"all those players were in the ballpark academically and he didn't have to compromise school standards to get them in, but helping them stand out from the crowd may have happened."</p>

<p>that's what I was talking about...but it's definitely not close to anything like this for boys football and hockey.. </p>

<p>i dont know why we have to keep twisting on this, the fact I was pointing out is
it is harder to be recruited as a girl than a guy becoz there simply is less spots avalible, and the 3 main guys team coaches have much greater pull in terms of admissions..
is it possible for girls to get recruited? Yes, but you better come with at least close to the package they look for in regular students, unless you are just an amazing outlier..also, the less spot idea makes sense becoz most of the girls field hockey team are also th girls ice hockey team, so basically mostly the same people....</p>

<p>oh, and john cooper is amazing too...everyone here loves the coopers</p>

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and none of the top BS reports ranks either, plus AI uses weighted rank, since we dont weigh GPA, you cant even approximate a rank to use AI

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<p>Lots of schools don't weigh GPA. There are formulas for dealing with that. Admissions has to do it all the time. And yes, schools of prospective athletes will give approximate (if not absolute) ranks to Ivy Leagues schools just so they can calculate their AI. Some of this comes through transcripts, some through school profiles that universities collect. Think about it. If they didn't have a formula to calculate rank where it doesn't exist, lots of prized athletes would be going elsewhere as they would be unable to qualify.</p>

<p>BTW, I think you have been typing faster than you have been reading posts. It was quite obvious to me that biffgnar was referring to the Girls Ice Hockey coach Cooper.</p>

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<p>Damon White coaches the boys varsity hockey team at Hotchkiss.</p>

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<p>He was definitely our favorite girls hockey coach at all the schools we visited. We started talking with him last spring and then he had us up to the school over the summer and he spent about two and a half hours with us touring the school and talking about his program. Great introduction to the school and the commitment and quality of the faculty. He does a lot for girls ice hockey away from Hotchkiss also with his work with the CT Stars club program. Commitment of people like that is amazing for the girl's side of that sport.</p>

<p>And as far as what he can do with admissions, luckily my daughter is in the ballpark and we don't need more than that. Hopefully he likes her as much as we liked him.</p>

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<p>I wasn't talking about who was the boys varsity hockey coach. Bearcats is the one focusing on that team and their questionable intelligence (at least in his opinion).</p>

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<p>Dwhite's the man</p>

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<p>if AI is the only way to get through, how did salisbury's legend hockey player Biega get into harvard with his 1060 SATs? He was top of his class?</p>

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<p>Guess Harvard had some hockey players with perfect SATs to balance him out so they met AI on average.</p>

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i dont know why we have to keep twisting on this, the fact I was pointing out is
it is harder to be recruited as a girl than a guy becoz there simply is less spots avalible, and the 3 main guys team coaches have much greater pull in terms of admissions..
is it possible for girls to get recruited? Yes, but you better come with at least close to the package they look for in regular students, unless you are just an amazing outlier..also, the less spot idea makes sense becoz most of the girls field hockey team are also th girls ice hockey team, so basically mostly the same people....

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<p>Not twisting a thing here. Just sharing my experience and asking for facts to support questionable opinions.</p>

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it is harder to be recruited as a girl than a guy becoz there simply is less spots avalible

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Another poorly written, off-the-cuff generalization without factual basis. And you wonder why I reply? Last I checked you can suit up no more than 20 players to play ice hockey on either a girls team or a boys team. You may call this twisting, but I'm really having a difficult time understanding your "facts". So how many spots do you see on Hotchkiss' boys ice hockey team and how many do you see on the girls ice hockey team?</p>

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and the 3 main guys team coaches have much greater pull in terms of admissions..

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The (probably misquoted) opinion of 1 adcom (or maybe the 3 coaches) as reported by a poster who doesn't seem to choose his words carefully when talking about the intellectual capabilities of athletes. I'll consider that source of information very carefully.</p>

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is it possible for girls to get recruited? Yes, but you better come with at least close to the package they look for in regular students, unless you are just an amazing outlier..

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I think the same can be said about the boys. You greatly underestimate the intellectual capacity of your own school's male athletes.</p>

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the less spot idea makes sense becoz most of the girls field hockey team are also th girls ice hockey team, so basically mostly the same people..

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Lots of reasons possible here. You are trying to find data that supports a very narrow-minded opinion. I cannot find the specific numbers, but if Hotchkiss is like any of the other co-ed boarding schools, there are more boys enrolled than girls. Traditionally, in the population as a whole, a higher percentage of boys participate in athletics than girls (not right or wrong). So with those numbers, girl athletes will have a greater chance of making 2 rosters than guys. And among ice hockey players, top level girls players are also more likely to participate (and excel in) a second sport because at the club level, girls do not have as many opportunities for as much of the calendar year as boys hockey players have. So they find other sports like field hockey to excel in. Good for the girls!</p>

<p>BTW bearcats, you aren't on the speech and debate team, are you?</p>

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<p>yo dude ..i dont see why u shud keep arguing with this dude who probably knows nothing about schools like ours...forget it...some people are just stubborn, go do your hw, dont let senioritis kill you...</p>

<p>"and the 3 main guys team coaches have much greater pull in terms of admissions.. "</p>

<p>fact, you dont need an adcom to tell you that</p>

<p>"I think the same can be said about the boys. You greatly underestimate the intellectual capacity of your own school's male athletes."</p>

<p>Laugh Out Loud. By the way he never said anything about intellectual capacity, i think the better measure is academic acheivement. How many kids on the boys hockey team are taking four joke classes this semester? Go ask around, you will find it funny.</p>

<p>hey are u still applying PG to deerfield?? Michigan's a good school...and you probably would get into some good schools regular round anyway</p>

<p>Loophole, blue, bearcats and I all have firsthand experience at a top BS, unlike some random parent who thinks he knows everything and try to twist facts his way..</p>

<p>guys, make your own judgement call which source you should choose to believe</p>