<p>DCHurricane - what you said is irrelevant since what was claimed was that university students were being shipped off involuntarily. Not only that, but the framework for the draft is not the draft. So I have no idea what your point is.</p>
<p>The point is that they COULD be shipped off involuntarily. They’re not being shipped off this minute, true, but it’s possible.</p>
<p>If all students had to pass this class, it would be okay. Singling out only those who are obese is not a good idea. This extra class may mess up their schedules and cause them to not graduate in 4 years because they had to take another 3-credit class. College students may have some unhealthy habits, but they are legally adults who can make their own health decisions. Maybe the university can have some kind of PE requirement that students can fulfill by taking a couple of 1-credit exercise classes or something. I think one of the community colleges near my hs has this requirement.</p>
<p>They can also be rounded up and sent to mine coal. It was a stupid argument to begin with for the topic of the thread, debating by false analogy. The sentence didn’t even make sense, trying to say that if they can be involuntarily drafted then they are old enough to make their own decisions about their health. How is one related to the other? It would make more sense the other way, if students can be involuntarily drafted then surely they can be told they have to involuntarily take a fitness course. Just shows how weak the logic was. Also universities don’t control the draft, so how does it possibly relate to what Lincoln has done? So sorry to tell you, there was no point there.</p>
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<p>You don’t get it. We have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people (supposedly). We as a society think that 18 year olds are mature enough to be handed a machine gun and forced against their will to commit all sorts of atrocities in the name of the American flag, to “defend their country” (supposedly). We as a society think that 18 year olds are mature enough to watch people’s legs getting shot off and other atrocities that are frankly the ugliest side of human nature. Witnessing the ugliest side of human nature and not being mentally scarred (which we as a society don’t think they’ll be mentally scarred for life, that’s why we as a society let 18 year olds enlist in the military or be involuntarily rounded up and sent into it, supposedly) than the impulse control required to stay in shape. That university also lets people smoke on campus. That university also lets people drive around in 3,000lb hunks of metal. That university not only allows, but facilitates staying up all night to do whatever. That university also lets students fly to campus. That university lets students of drinking age drink all they want (supposedly). All of those are hazardous to human health or safety in one way or another. That university lets students do all of this because they believe that their 18 year old students have the maturity to handle that decisionmaking (supposedly). Why is making decisions about fitness any different? What makes this category of decisionmaking so special that the university has to butt in? The argument that fitness, like every other decision that university students have to make, should not be left up to the student is baseless and nonsensical.</p>
<p>And btw, if they were involuntarily rounded up to mine coal, no jury would let the perpetrators get away with it.</p>
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<p>haha, i’m not fat, I “happen to be bigger”</p>
<p>futurenyu, go find your hole and crawl back in.</p>
<p>As for the original post, I’m all in favor of requiring PE as a “gen-ed” requirement…</p>
<p>If Lincoln is truly concerned about everyone being healthy, then they need to start regulating how many pizzas students can order in per week, start instituting bedtimes and curfews, ban smoking on campus, ban excessive drinking, ban excessive exercise (that’s unhealthy too), ban dirt in rooms, basically become another helicopter parent in university form. That’s impossible and perhaps illegal. </p>
<p>This exercise class thing is a nonsensical half-assed solution to a difficult problem. It’s insulting to the students they call adults (who could very well be trying but not succeeding). This PE stuff is nonsense. Gen ed is nonsense. The only thing gen ed did for me is confirm the reasons why I’m majoring in what I decided to major in in 12th grade. It was about productive as spinning around in circles. If the students aren’t ready to make their own decisions about what’s best for their health (which is what this university is saying by instituting this stupid policy), then none of them are ready to be in university and that is not only an insult to the students, but the admissions committee as this signals that not only do they consider the students they call “adults” to be actually children, but they’re sending the message that none of these students should have been admitted.</p>
<p>This PE thing is not a necessary and proper means for Lincoln to achieve its primary mission, to impart knowledge. No knowledge is needed to walk/run on a treadmill or pedal a stationary bike. You just get on and do it. This is mission creep. It’s an arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable imposition on an aspect of a student’s life that the university frankly has no business being in. To put it mildly, the university needs to **** off and focus on improving its academic departments. I see absolutely no rational basis for Lincoln to be involved in this aspect of a student’s life. It’s none of their ****ing business.</p>
<p>students are also free to choose colleges without gen ed such as brown</p>
<p>if you don’t want pe don’t go to a college with it</p>
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<p>How many of those schools are there? Probably not many… And they probably don’t offer the majors that other schools have either. Sounds like a great idea and I wish I could, but not happening…</p>
<p>I’d hate to go to Brown because my teachers would label me a white supremacist for thinking Affirmative Action is implemented poorly, or label me a blood-drinking neocon for wanting healthcare tort reform and tax credits for purchasing insurance instead of a public option, or call me an ‘assimilator’ because I consider myself American even though I was born in Argentina, or…</p>
<p>I would have thought after mandatory gym courses every year for k-12, if we haven’t gotten the point yet a gen ed course in college isn’t going to suddenly hammer it home. Nor is it going to help anybody lose weight anyway.</p>
<p>I’ve had a medical exemption for PE classes since like 6th grade. Thaaank goodness. It would be getting pretty tedious by now.</p>
<p>^ Not all of us had that though. No real gym at my K-8 and my hs only required one semester, which we all took freshmen year and haven’t thought about exercise in nearly 4 years by the time we start college.</p>
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<p>The problem is PE is not mandatory. Ok, I guess technically it is in most states, but also in most states you can get an exception for almost anything to get out of PE. And PE is the first thing to get cut when it comes budget time.</p>
<p>^ Not at my school. The arts are.</p>
<p>I used to fake an asthma attack to get out of PE in elementary school.
I also used to fake one to get out of art and music and history.</p>
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<p>No, you don’t get it. It is a volunteer army. Has been for a long time, so we as a society don’t think we can force them against their will. Your argument is factually incorrect. And attending Lincoln is voluntary too. Now I also think this is a ridiculous requirement for a university, but apparently they started tracking BMI back in 2005 so they warned people this was coming. But to relate this relatively minor requirement to the atrocities of war and the oppression of authority is so over the top as to be ludicrous.</p>
<p>As far as gen ed, what do you think these universities are, trade schools? If you don’t think that going to a university to learn what they have to teach is worthwhile, don’t go. Or pay by the hour in their extension programs and take only what you want. Or start your own university. They offer a product, and you can buy it or not. There are many highly successful people that never went to college.</p>
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<p>grain of salt for anecdata blah blah blah but my bff weighs a solid 225 and rides her bike at least 15 miles a day, and she’s hardly a rare case. big moves is a dance company made up entirely of fatties, roller derby has a huge amount of fat participants, etc. newsweek did something about this recently, too: [Fat</a> and Fit Photos: Defying Stereotypes About Obesity | Newsweek Life | Newsweek.com](<a href=“http://www.newsweek.com/id/215135]Fat”>http://www.newsweek.com/id/215135)</p>
<p>we’re not all lethargic gluttons</p>
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<p>Read the Selective Training and Service Act. Apparently we do.</p>
<p>OK, I did. It clearly says that while people are still required to register, there has been no conscription since 1973. So for 36 years no one has been forced to enter the armed forces against their will. This is what the government of the people, as you put it, has decided. So again your argument makes no sense in the factual area, and would still make no sense even if we did still have a draft in that they are incomparable situations to what this thread was about. You are a ■■■■■, and will be ignored from this point forward.</p>